The mounting death toll in Iraq: When does the public say..."enough is enough"?

axeman · Nov 17, 2003

"I fear my country is becoming a nation of spineless appeasers... fat, happy self-involved nimrods who don't believe that liberty (or anything else) is worth fighting for."

Too late

peace

axeman

Quote from ColdLogic:

Very well said, my friend. You are among the minority of U.S. citizens who still deserves the name "American".

I fear my country is becoming a nation of spineless appeasers... fat, happy self-involved nimrods who don't believe that liberty (or anything else) is worth fighting for. They forget (and betray) the very principles on which this great nation was founded.
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m&m&m · Nov 17, 2003

Quote from BlueHorseshoe:

To answer your questions:

1. The bottom line is that the Bathists murdered parents in the street and held the children in prisons. Reports are that the bathists sometimes granted sadists access to the children before they were killed, or were made to kill each other. Some atrocities are simply unspeakable. There is my bottom line. You apparently don't have one.

2. Coalition troops are the light at the end of the tunnel, and at the end of every street corner in Baghdad. Why? Because all of the Iraqi patriots, the Paul Reveres of Iraqi, with their families, have already been murdered and buried.

3. 'Public image' - patriots really don't care what cowards and excusenics think. We'll humor you from time to time, but that is about it. Sure you find that frustrating - tough s**t.

4. 'No discernable purpose' - sad, pal.

BTW - How is the weather in Paris these days? Kindly tell us Americans - 'cause none of us have visited lately so we wouldn't know. Now that I think about it, we don't really care what your weather is like. Nevermind.
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That's why this country has Bush as a president

trader556 · Nov 17, 2003

Quote from goldenarm:

In Vietnam, more than 58,000 Americans lost their lives. At the height of the war, 500 soldiers were being killed each week.

In the Iraq war and the subsequent occupation, we have lost fewer men to hostile fire than in a single terrorist attack in Lebanon in 1983. We've been losing about a soldier a day since the first of June. At this rate, we'll reach the Vietnam total in about 158 years.

The level of violence in Iraq is still extremely low -- I get the feeling that your average L.A. street gang would be more vicious than these rather ineffective holdout Saddam loyalists. The suicide bombers who attacked the Marine compound in Lebanon killed more Americans in one fell swoop than these jokers in Iraq have been able to do since the beginning of the war.

Not very impressive, except perhaps to the left-wing media and liberal posters here who seem to find an annual death rate of less than 1 per 100,000 in a war zone to be indicative of enormous problems.

Granted, war is hell but let's keep things in perspective!
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Still trying to justify the war and the dead by using Vietnam as a benchmark? Sad....

U.S. War Dead in Iraq Exceed Early Vietnam Years
By David Morgan

PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) - The U.S. death toll in Iraq has surpassed the number of American soldiers killed during the first three years of the Vietnam War, the brutal Cold War conflict that cast a shadow over U.S. affairs for more than a generation.
A Reuters analysis of Defense Department statistics showed on Thursday that the Vietnam War, which the Army says officially began on Dec. 11, 1961, produced a combined 392 fatal casualties from 1962 through 1964, when American troop levels in Indochina stood at just over 17,000.

By comparison, a roadside bomb attack that killed a soldier in Baghdad on Wednesday brought to 397 the tally of American dead in Iraq, where U.S. forces currently number about 130,000 troops -- the same number reached in Vietnam by October 1965.

http://news.lycos.com/news/story.asp?section=MyLycos&storyId=798648

dgabriel · Nov 17, 2003

Quote from BlueHorseshoe:

To answer your questions:

1. The bottom line is that the Bathists murdered parents in the street and held the children in prisons. Reports are that the bathists sometimes granted sadists access to the children before they were killed, or were made to kill each other. Some atrocities are simply unspeakable. There is my bottom line. You apparently don't have one.

2. Coalition troops are the light at the end of the tunnel, and at the end of every street corner in Baghdad. Why? Because all of the Iraqi patriots, the Paul Reveres of Iraqi, with their families, have already been murdered and buried.

3. 'Public image' - patriots really don't care what cowards and excusenics think. We'll humor you from time to time, but that is about it. Sure you find that frustrating - tough s**t.

4. 'No discernable purpose' - sad, pal.

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1-3 is probably true, but no one in Wash. DC really gives a damn about the Iraqis other than to use their plight as a justification for interention. Perhaps you are a true humanitarian warrior, in which case get busy: you have 50 countries to invade to elliminate gross human rights violations.

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The mounting death toll in Iraq: When does the public say..."enough is enough"?

axeman

m&m&m

trader556

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