The Most Insightful Articles ABout Trading and Investing!

Nebuchadnezzar · Jul 26, 2011

Quote from jack hershey:

This is a ha ha thread but I will digress to where you have digressed after Handle digressed.

You are a pre-beginner. I can see you are NOT building your mind by using repetition since you have nothing to repeat.

Handle built his mind the hard way as he told you. He is using the forest and trees approach. For boy scouts, forestry merit badge recommends learning how to ID different trees and make plaques that show the fully differentiated differences and uniqueness of trees.

The leadership training location of BSA is on a single donnor's gifted reservation. Schiff Scout Reservation outside of Menham, NJ) A prominent tree that grows there is the tulip tree. Its leaf is used as the patch of leader trainers and attendees. Tulip wood under another name (yellow poplar or basswood) is the principal ingredient in the manufacture of padded furniture.

Let me digress further to enable you to become rich in about 21 days. Follow the 8 rules for trading from day one and on day 22 you have 2 million plus in profits plus 6 accounts @ 40 ES contracts each. The 8 rules occupy about 1/2 a page.

By repeating the 8 rules over and over, their use becomes a fully differentiated set (of inferences) in long term memory so that each time you sense something in the market, then you pair it one to one with the inference in your mind's long term memory and you behave to make the money the market is offering.

To become effective and very astute, put each rule on a separate page at the top of the page and hand write in the details of the rule.

Put your notes in a three ring binder and add prints of charts that illustrate each of the 8 rules.

During the 21 days on the way to 2,000,000 dollars in your accounts, you have plenty of time to do this. After 21 days you only make about 150,000 dollars a day.

Doing all of the above on ET in this thread would be a digression from the ha ha search going on. But we could use it as a HA HA for all the folks who did not do it. I will return here in 22 days for the HA HA.

If you wish I will add how to use indicators instead of only the 8 rules content as an alternative. I do both anyway so it is no trouble for me.

Lets make day 1 the day a person posts the word document containing the 8 rules. Then we can switch from ha ha to ah ha type posts.
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The 8 basic rules for annotating and doing analysis to stay in the market all the time and take the full marketâs offer. (Note there is NO predicting nor betting nor stops required.)

1. Annotate using a parallelogram.

2. Trade from FTT to FTT of the trading parallelogram.

3. Use hold/reversal trading.

4. Use a green bookmark at each FTT.

5. If a bookmark is violated, then reverse and hold until the new FTT.

6. If an internal (there are 10 cases, only) bridges or straddles the RTL, then fan the RTL.

7. Accelerate the RTL on VEâs of the LTL.

8. On VEâs the FTT will show up after M1 and M2 sub-fractals when VE closes in the zone between the old and new LTL. Otherwise, if the close is NOT in the described zone, reverse on the VE close and use the VE as the new point 1 (See step 1 above) of next parallelogram.

Nebuchadnezzar · Jul 26, 2011

Quote from taq:

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Then one day out of the blue, the little red and green candles started to make sense. I saw patterns develop over and over in the same spots. I placed a trade and made a profit. But I had done this before. -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Taken straight from the copywriting manual "How to sell trading systems". Another variation was adopted by Spydertrader: "I could trade profitably, but I didn't know why or how I could do that". He then 'produced' 3 years worth of journals, successfully avoiding answering that question. Funniest thing I ever read.

SnakeEYE · Jul 26, 2011

Quote from taq:

My first stab at trading was commodities and I started with $5k in 1991.
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in 1991 i first got busted

SnakeEYE · Jul 26, 2011

Quote from Nebuchadnezzar:

The 8 basic rules for annotating and doing analysis to stay in the market all the time and take the full marketâs offer. (Note there is NO predicting nor betting nor stops required.)

1. Annotate using a parallelogram.

2. Trade from FTT to FTT of the trading parallelogram.

3. Use hold/reversal trading.

4. Use a green bookmark at each FTT.

5. If a bookmark is violated, then reverse and hold until the new FTT.

6. If an internal (there are 10 cases, only) bridges or straddles the RTL, then fan the RTL.

7. Accelerate the RTL on VEâs of the LTL.

8. On VEâs the FTT will show up after M1 and M2 sub-fractals when VE closes in the zone between the old and new LTL. Otherwise, if the close is NOT in the described zone, reverse on the VE close and use the VE as the new point 1 (See step 1 above) of next parallelogram.
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and what about volume??where is the leading indicator named volume.i object,your honor!

Nebuchadnezzar · Jul 26, 2011

Quote from SnakeEYE:

and what about volume??where is the leading indicator named volume.i object,your honor!
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Those are Hershey's rules, copied from his doc file. Since I am on ignore now, he is very unlikely to show me "how to make money trading in 21 days or less".

SnakeEYE · Jul 26, 2011

Quote from Nebuchadnezzar:

Those are Hershey's rules, copied from his doc file. Since I am on ignore now, he is very unlikely to show me "how to make money trading in 21 days or less".
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first it was $700+ in 61 days, now it is $2M in 21 days?wow!
is it even in hindsight possible i wonder..

omnpmh · Jul 26, 2011

Quote from taq:

The best article I ever read on trading

I Look Back Now and Wonder

I wasn't sure where to put this, so the powers that be can move it if they see fit. I put it here for anyone who is just starting out and wondering what it really takes to become part of that elite club of profitable traders.

I lurk on several trading forums. I join a few and make a few posts. One thing that I rarely see is the painful path one took to becoming successful. So for all you beginners here is what becoming successful took. For my fellow brethren that are already in the club have a good laugh.

The markets had always lured me as a kid. I would read the paper and make predictions. Sometimes they were right; sometimes not. Then one day I got that famous commodity-trading flyer, sent my money off and took the plunge.

My first stab at trading was commodities and I started with $5k in 1991. I was using the strategy as outlined by the guru. The account was gone within a few months. Well that didnât work. I thought, people do this everyday and make money why not me.

So off to the library. I read every book the Memphis library had on trading and investing. I paper traded the strategies I found while I built my bankroll back up. I learned exits, set-ups, position, expectancy, market psychology, and portfolio management. I soon realized that I was reading the same thing over and over no matter which book I checked out.

Time to build my strategy. I am ready to do this. I bought a new computer, Metastock Pro 6.0, and opened an account with $30k. Its 1995, and this is my shot. By 1997 I was toast again. The family life went to hell in a hand basket, and I thought I could trade through the difficult times. The result was an account with a balance of $2500.

Back to the drawing board. Took care of the personal stuff. Lived like a monk raising capital. Worked nights and watched the market during the day. Took a second job on the weekends to raise more money.

Then one day out of the blue, the little red and green candles started to make sense. I saw patterns develop over and over in the same spots. I placed a trade and made a profit. But I had done this before. I removed the MACD from my charts. Placed another trade and made a profit. Maybe I am on to something. Removed the channel indicator that I stumbled across. I could still see the action and new what the MACD was doing and where the action was in the channel without them even being on the chart. I even stopped drawing trend lines.

It was just me and the screen. I planned every trade. I knew exactly when, where, and why I entered and exited. I was patient. I became a predator. Lurking and waiting. I took every shot the market gave me. If it started to go wrong, I got out quick and waited. If the market did not give me an opening, oh well. There is always tomorrow.

By the fall of 1999, I was consistently profitable and have been ever since. For those that are waiting for the sales pitch, there isnât one. For those that are waiting for me to expose some great secret, well there isnât one of those either.

What I will give you are a few simple pointers that I learned the hard way. And the sad part is, most will stilll learn these the hardway.

1)Take everything you read with a grain of salt. That includes this post.

2)Never pay for a system. It is just not that easy.

3)If something comes up in your life that is distracting, stop trading.

4)Plan every aspect of your trade down to the smallest detail, and plan for every possible outcome.

5)Develop your own strategy. Donât let someone tell you that you canât trade a simple moving average if you truly believe you can.

6)Test the strategy in the market that you will be trading. If you like the results, trade it in another totally unrelated market and see if it still holds up.

7)Paper trading is ok, but there is nothing that truly tests the strategy like hard earned cash.

8)You will have to make sacrifices in order to make it. I still do. In the middle of my learning period I was working 18 hours a day during the week and 12 on the weekend.

9)You are responsible for everything when it comes to trading. That includes stop running, bad fills, limit moves, your PC crashing. I mean everything. See #4

10)And last but probably most important, donât be afraid of failure. Just do like Edison and go, âWell that didnât workâ.

Good trading to you all.
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I t takes 8 years to be a successful trader.

Nebuchadnezzar · Jul 26, 2011

Quote from SnakeEYE:

first it was $700+ in 61 days, now it is $2M in 21 days?wow!
is it even in hindsight possible i wonder..
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karma is a bitch and there is a special place in hell for
people like them

SnakeEYE · Jul 26, 2011

Quote from Nebuchadnezzar:

karma is a bitch and there is a special place in hell for
people like them
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it just sad,my ancient one.just sad

joshuabelanger · Jul 27, 2011

In trading and investing, there are so many things that you must learn if you want to handle this kind of business. You might lose your business if you have potentials on this field.