Of course it's torture, plain and simple, and illegal under the Geneva Convention that the current US regime couldn't care less about. One of the worst things that can happen to you right now is being any Arab in US occupied territory, the US perpetrated abuse, war crimes and torture we've witnessed in Iraq and elsewhere are simply endemic to all wars, any other ideas are simply naive, hence I can only feel sorry for those on the wrong side of the fence. Besides, since when have the NeoCons ever cared about stuff like not utilizing torture - either they do it themselves or they outsource it to nasty regimes where its even more normal -, or upkeeping civil liberties, democracy and freedom etc, lol. Just think about the abomination that is Guantanamo. Somebody once said show me a countries prisons, and I'll tell you what kind of a country that is. Right! http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33314 http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33261
Wow TigerO, those little cartoons you cut and paste are so interesting and completely unbiased. Do you even trade? Or spend all your time surfing the net?
Volume, how can one be unbiased when you've got the most cowardly, corrupt, deceitful and lying scum bag in US history running this place, Bush, who poses the biggest threat to freedom, civil liberties, democracy, peace and stability to the world in ages, and who is on the verge of blowing up the world? But, no worries, me old trading is doing ok seeing as how I'm no scalper and have plenty of time, when the inclination hits, which is not all the time, to engage in extracurricular activities. Regards,
ART, oops I mean "Ginginho", the only person you're convincing is yourself. First, the Geneva Convention does not even apply. Second, you have no evidence that real "torture" took place. All you have is a few photos of naked prisoners. Third, you are being totally disingenuous when you say you didn't mean "US" troops, just any troops. It's perfectly obvious whose troops you meant. Certainly you and your buddies at Moral Equivalency University have never condemned any communist or Islamist forces, only those representing freedom and democracy. Thank goodness we now have a president with enough good sense not to sacrifice our troops to the "justice" of international socialists, dictators, thugs and communist murderers under the guise of the International Criminal court.
You can't see that advocating American soldiers be tortured and killed because they, at worst, took some pictures of naked Iraqi terrorist suspects, is hideous? That is justice? And it's ok to turn it over to terrorists to decide the guilt and punishment? This kind of vile posturing by the hate America crowd under the guise of even-handedness provides justification for the terrorists and murderers of people like Nick Berg. Even some news stories reported it was "retaliation" for the prison fiasco when we know they have been doing the same sort of thing for years.
Yes, as you describe it it is hideous, but the way you describe it is not even consistent with the BEST light that the pictures portray LET ALONE consistent with first hand sworn witness reports. There a are pictures of *actual* (forced painful positions) and perceived (fake or real wires to body with threaths of harm) torture. Additionally at a minimum Sivits sworn testimony completely conflicts with your "at worst..." scenario. But now I know why your position is such. I still believe that Gringinho was simply stating that he wouldn't mind 'eye for an eye' justice in this case and I'm right with him. JB
lol You're right, but I wouldn't bother even discussing with these trailer camp rednecks, it's a total waste of time and effort.
the boys got a point....but i can assure you that it doesnt matter how we handle IRAQI prisoners these animals will still kill and/or torture our prisoners of war....its the sad fact. I'll tell you this much, i can understand some of the frustrations/anger our soldiers feel toward their enemies ( even prisoners )....so in short i would also most probably do soe ass whoopin myself...I mean cmon, these animals drag dead bodies and cut off peoples heads, surely you would want to build an ass pyramid yourself.......peace
Cubano, it's that you reap what you sow. We invaded them based on nothing but spin lies and deceit, commit war crimes and torture etc - and again, that kind of shit is simply endemic to all wars - so they just react. You wouldn't be doing anything much different if Mexico or Canada invaded the US, in war times people just turn into animals. You just reap what you sow. Peace, as you say http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33314 http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33261
i didnt say it was right...i said under the circumstances of seeing their fellow soldiers/contractors being dragged while dead and heads being cut off...i can surely understand...