"The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain liquid"

Discussion in 'Economics' started by vanzandt, Dec 22, 2018.

  1. Overnight

    Overnight

    What the hell? People are going to stop having babies, and stop putting adhesive bandages on their kids now that we have some market tumult?

    J&J to the moon! (OK, they are having an issue with their talcum-based baby powder, oops) They will get through it. Teehee.

    Vanz, how about Unilever? Who the hell does not like coming out of the shower and that orgasmic feeling of clearing out the ol' ear canal with a Q-Tip™? That feeling is addictive!

    To the moon! Fundamentals! roffle.
     
    #31     Dec 22, 2018
  2. #32     Dec 22, 2018
    themickey likes this.
  3. sle

    sle

    They should add perforated condoms to their product line to complete the scheme!
     
    #33     Dec 22, 2018
    Cuddles and vanzandt like this.
  4. ktm

    ktm

    The media does exacerbate all of it. I love watching the talking heads brag about how they had this. Just once on Power Lunch I'd love to hear one of these guys say "Yeah I added some longs on that one this AM and had to bail an hour ago because I got my ass handed to me".

    The media has to EXPLAIN what just happened with a narrative. You can tune in at 3:55pm with the Dow up 10 points and hear "market is up today on QCOM earnings", then again at 3:58pm with the Dow down 10 and hear "market retreats today on fears of higher inflation". And of course it's all bullshit but people buy into it and it plays heavily into retail sentiment. And it's the same when we are up or down 500.

    Some of this downdraft may be sovereign wealth funds bailing, or some HFs liquidating, or algo's. I have no idea, but a lot of money has flowed out. And as VZ said, I guarantee you Warren Buffett is sitting at home this AM with price levels already worked out for some specific companies where he will buy 5B or 10B of stock since "it's a great company at a great price".

    I see some of you trying to work out where the market is fundamentally attractively valued. I used to do that too. Then I found myself sitting there holding a long telling the dropping index on my screen that they don't understand - that we're at historic lows on this metric and it's great value - apparently Keynes had done that as well. The algo's and people liquidating don't give a shit about any ratios or valuations, but the PUT on this market is really the Warren Buffett types that have plenty of dry powder. You won't know where they are getting in until after it's happened.
     
    #34     Dec 23, 2018
  5. %% Sounds like CBS=fake news; latest CBS ad=''real news,LOL''

    {Delayed edit,OK did close it out for weekend -like to get

    paid weekly.CBS is fake news]
     
    Last edited: Dec 23, 2018
    #35     Dec 23, 2018
  6. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    Untitled1.png [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]
     
    #36     Dec 23, 2018
  7. maxinger

    maxinger

    In trading, we don't care whether market is rational or irrational.

    we care about trendiness.
    If market moves in organised fashion, we are interested to trade it.
    If market moves in disorganised erratic chaotic fashion, we stay away from it.

    If market has up momentum, we focus on taking long position.
    If market has down momentum, we focus on taking short position.

    If market is reversing to go down, we focus on taking short position.
    If market is reversing to go up, we focus on taking long position.
     
    #37     Dec 23, 2018
    murray t turtle likes this.
  8. #38     Dec 23, 2018
  9. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Reads like save-face propaganda amid the market turmoil. I say sell these news.
     
    #39     Dec 23, 2018
  10. panzerman

    panzerman

    That's the game isn't it? Finding when one market regime ends and another begins, in real time. The problem is that regime changes are randomly distributed through time. However, not perfectly random, so perhaps there is your opportunity.
     
    #40     Dec 23, 2018
    tomorton likes this.