The many ways to have obtained a 1961 Hawaiin birth certificate

Discussion in 'Politics' started by fhl, Jul 26, 2009.

  1. fhl


    "There were four different ways to get an “original birth certificate” on record in 1961, and they varied greatly in their reliability as evidence. We’ll refer to these as BC1, BC2, BC3, and BC4.

    BC1: The original birth certificate could be issued by the attending medical professional at the birth, typically a physician or midwife. They were required to certify to the Department of Health the infant’s name, birth date, identity of the parents if known, and other information. This is how most births were and are recorded, and by far the most likely way Barack Obama’s birth was documented.

    BC2: In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. It would obviously be very unreliable and easy to falsify.

    The attorney asked the Department of Health what they currently ask for (in 2008) to back up a parent’s claim that a child was born in Hawaii. He was told that all that was required was a proof of residence in Hawaii and pre-natal and post-natal certification by a physician. On follow-up the employee suggested that the pre-natal and post-natal certifications had probably not been in force in the 1960s. Quite literally, <u>Obama’s “official birth certificate” could have been mailed in from anywhere on the planet</u> if this was true.

    BC3: In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, a “Delayed Certificate” could be filed. It apparently required no more than a statement before a government bureaucrat by one of the parents within the first year of the child’s life.

    BC4: If methods BC1, BC2, and BC3 were not used, and the child surpassed the age of one without a certificate, then a original certificate of Hawaiian birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult — including the adult child himself – if the office of the lieutenant governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii.

    If the four ways “official birth certificates” could be issued under 1955 isn’t arbitrary and confusing enough, a fifth way to claim an official birth certificate for a child that claims to have been born in Hawaii who is now an adult was added in 1982, at the time a young Barry Obama was in college.

    BC5: Under Act 182 H.B. NO. 3016-82, “Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that the proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.” In this way “state policies and procedures” accommodate even “children born out of State” (this is the actual language of Act 182) with an “original birth certificate on record.”"

  2. "If you were born in Bali, for example, you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate."-Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health

    Opponents asserted that Hawaiian officials had not explicitly addressed the fact that Obama was born in Hawaii, and pointed to a provision of Hawaiian law that permits the issuance of certifications of live birth to those born outside the state or even outside the country. However, the suggestion that this could have applied to Obama was rejected by Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health: "If you were born in Bali, for example, you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate."[26]
  3. From Hawaii's dept of health


    Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth.

    When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.

    The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth.
  4. Maybe when officer Crowley has that beer with the President he could ask to see his "actual" birth certificate.:D
  5. fhl,

    Do you really think that Hillary Clinton or John McCain "overlooked" this birth certificate issue? The Clintons' hachetjob crew have most definitely been all over this a couple years ago. If they couldn't come up with something... I doubt you will.
  6. Good point

    McCain campaign vetted Birther rumors

    There are, of course, a whole lot of truly baffling things about the Birther movement and its theories. But perhaps one of the most puzzling is this unanswered question: If President Obama really were born in Kenya, why didn't the McCain or Clinton campaigns dig up the evidence and publicize it? Why has that task fallen to the ragtag crew that is the Birthers, led now by Orly Taitz, a dentist/lawyer/real estate agent who got her law degree online and is regularly admonished for having little, if any, idea how to properly file her court papers?

    Turns out there's an answer.

    The Washington Independent's David Weigel, one of the best sources of reportage on the movement, had a scoop on Friday: The McCain campaign did hear of the rumors of Obama's birth, and -- though they were skeptical from the start -- checked them out.

    "We never saw any evidence that then-Senator Obama had been born outside of the United States," Trevor Potter, who served as the general counsel for the McCain campaign, told Weigel. "We saw rumors, but nothing that could be sourced to evidence. There were no statements and no documents that suggested he was born somewhere else. On the other side, there was proof that he was born in Hawaii."

    Weigel also quotes an unnamed lawyer who was working for the McCain campaign and was asked to look into the legal merits of one of the early Birther lawsuits. "The conversation was along the lines of ‘this is idiotic, but explain to me why,’” that lawyer said. “I looked at whether the lawsuit was going to be dismissed. I said yes.”

    Of course, it's no surprise that the McCain camp found nothing to substantiate the rumors, both because they're not true and because they're being developed and spread by people who see dark forces working against them at every turn, and misinterpret every available bit of evidence to support that belief.
  7. Your obsession with Obama is pathological. Seek immediate help.

  8. obama's can't we all get along moment... After he blatantly and unquestionably judged the cop by the color of his skin..

    this shit is going to be with us for decades. The state of blacks is not exactly improving, and we all have to hear about it constantly.

    blacks get picked up disproportionately, because cops go where the crime is ... black areas.
  9. Why do you refer to yourself in the third person?
  10. more brilliant commentary... Have you ever offered anything but snide, idiotic remarks?

    Here, I'll give you a personal account of "racial profiling". Growing up, I lived in an middle, upper-middle class neighborhood, that was fairly close to the core. Everyday in the summertime, groups of black kids would take a bus and walk into the neighborhood, and ride out on newly stolen bikes. Like clockwork. every summer, every day.

    I had several bikes stolen ... friends got jumped at knife point, etc ...

    How should the cops handle such a situation?

    Now-a-days I read, they also now take to the bus to the upscale mall, riots have been started, mass petty theft, etc ..

    If you have nothing to add but more stupidity, please refrain.
    #10     Jul 26, 2009