The last gas pipeline to Europe goes thru Ukraine...

Discussion in 'Commodity Futures' started by earth_imperator, Sep 15, 2022.

  1. I too think so.
    And: the capitalist system always strifes for profits. The highest profits can be made
    if one buys the basic materials cheaply, like cheap oil & gas from Russia.
     
    #11     Sep 17, 2022
  2. d08

    d08

    The price hike is temporary. There will be a couple hard years ahead but nothing insurmountable. Now it's clear that relying on Russia for anything is pointless, everyone in the Baltics, Finland and Poland already knew this beforehand.
    Meanwhile Russian state coffers are collapsing as 60% of the revenues come from oilgas and some 90% of it was from Europe. Are your Russian compatriots working in the government willing to take a 60% wage cut?
     
    #12     Sep 17, 2022
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  3. d08

    d08

    West has some principles left. People like yourself would trade with any rapist and murderer of course if it puts a few extra cents in your pocket.
     
    #13     Sep 17, 2022
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  4. Ed48

    Ed48

    This. In the short-term this hurts Europe but in the long run it hurts Russia more because no-one will trust them as a supplier. Sure, China and India will keep buying from them but they'll know not to ever become reliant.
     
    #14     Sep 18, 2022
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  5. But from the point of view of Russia, the same can be said from the EU.
    Example: Russia has built in cooperation with EU partners such a big project like the NordStream2 pipeline.
    Now the EU has blocked the operation of the pipeline b/c BigBrother USA wanted so.
    Talk of trust! I bet Russia will never again invite any EU company to its such mega projects.
    And Russia has many such mega projects...
    IMO, Russia already said "Bye bye, unrealiable EU idiots"! :D
     
    #15     Sep 18, 2022
  6. d08

    d08

    Like the usual Russia-sympathiser, you conveniently forget the fact that Russia brutally attacked Ukraine.
    Russia started this, not the EU.

    Russia didn't "invite EU". Russia needs EU as a buyer and the technology. Russian own oilgas technology is far behind in development.
     
    #16     Sep 18, 2022
  7. d08 wrote:
    B/c Ukraine posed a threat to Russia, as it wanted to join NATO. If it joined the NATO, then WW3 was imminent, because a war btw. Ukraine and Russia would then mean war btw. Russia and NATO due to article 5 of NATO. Russia was wise enough to stop that nigtmare to happen. The Western idiots even have not grapsed this simple fact yet.

    Whatever, but the train has already left the station.
    Russia will get the technological support it needs from China and other, friendly, countries.
    Bye bye, EU & US idiots! Big biz can do it also w/o you Western sanction-loving dumbos! :)

    And: since Russia can afford to reduce, and even stop completely, the export of its products to the EU, then this shows that Russia does not need the EU.
    Of course doing business is a good thing, but if the conditions are horrific then one better does the trade with someone else...
    Markets 101
     
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    #17     Sep 18, 2022
  8. Atlantic

    Atlantic

    this is bs - and and everybody knows it - even you.

    ukraine, moldova and georgia will eventually join eu and nato.

    because they want peace and prosperity.

    and because they want to be left alone from evil and stinkin russia.

    russia will die.
     
    #18     Sep 18, 2022
  9. Only Ukraine makes such problems, not so much Georgia and Moldova, though Georgia was in a similar pawn siutation like Ukraine as the US military tries to stiffle problems at Russian borders, but Russia knows how to crush these bugs :)

    Nowadays, if Russia does not allow, then no neigboring country can join NATO, b/c such a step shifts the security balance between the opponents.

    The saying "I'm free, I can join any alliance I want", is simply wrong. It's a complicated process where also your neigbor has to greenlight it after confidence-.building negotiations etc., b/c such a step matters your neigbor's security as well...
     
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    #19     Sep 18, 2022
  10. Atlantic

    Atlantic

    bs - again.
     
    #20     Sep 18, 2022