The kidnapped British soldiers

"Call that humiliation?


"No hoods. No electric shocks. No beatings. These Iranians clearly are a very uncivilised bunch"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2047128,00.html

 

They showed on tv the woman british soldier smoking a cigarette, mon dieu, why isn't the surgeon general protesting, for chrissakes that women is endangering the live of iranians with second hand smoke.

I thought the world would be a better place with a smoke free Abrahms tank:

 

It's obvious the British soldiers were sent into Iranian territory to instigate and escalate the Zionist war for global domination. This is the beginning of their war on Humanity.

It's also obvious the Iranians lack the "PR" machine that the Zionists have at their disposal. The smart way to counter the Zionist propaganda would be to simply show a territorial map with the location of the British ship within the map.

 

AAA, you've written some fine things here over the years, but this has to be one of your best.

So glad you're here.

 

I agree, Iran is a fine bunch of fellas.

"In Iran, a 13-year-old girl has been sentenced to death because her 15-year-old brother got her pregnant. The boy, of course, doesn't face a death sentence - he'll only be whipped 150 times with a lash. Zhila Izadi just gave birth to her child so now she is eligible for stoning by the community. "

 

"Britain has frozen most contacts with Iran and referred the issue to the U.N. Security Council, which expressed "grave concern" on Thursday over Iran's seizure last week of the Britons."

Now that scares shit out of me.:eek:

 

Bottom line is, we had better get control of this situation while we still have the "upper hand". If Iran ever gains the advantage, does anyone believe they won't exercise it immediately?? These people only understand one thing: It's called use of force. What's that old saying?---Use it or lose it.

Anybody heard of the good old days when the U.S. and it's allies wouldn't tolerate the kind of horseshit that goes on these days?

 

there's no clear line between the waters since there's no agreed maritime boundary between iraqis and iranian waters.

this situation could and should be solved by returning the brits asap and holding meetings between iraq and iran to settle this boundary dispute once and for all.


Both Sides Must Stop This Mad Confrontation, Now

Craig Murray
craigmurray.co.uk
Friday, March 30, 2007

There is no agreed maritime boundary between Iraq and Iran in the Persian Gulf. Until the current mad propaganda exercise of the last week, nobody would have found that in the least a controversial statement.

Let me quote, for example, from that well known far left source Stars and Stripes magazine, October 24 2006.

'Bumping into the Iranians can’t be helped in the northern Persian Gulf, where the lines between Iraqi and Iranian territorial water are blurred, officials said.

"No maritime border has been agreed upon by the two countries," Lockwood said.'

That is Royal Australian Navy Commodore Peter Lockwood. He is the Commander of the Combined Task Force in the Northern Persian Gulf.

I might even know something about it myself, having been Head of the Maritime Section of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office from 1989 to 1992, and having been personally responsible in the Embargo Surveillance Centre for getting individual real time clearance for the Royal Navy to board specific vessels in these waters.

As I feared, Blair adopted the stupid and confrontational approach of publishing maps ignoring the boundary dispute, thus claiming a very blurred situation is crystal clear and the Iranians totally in the wrong. This has in turn notched the Iranians up another twist in their own spiral of intransigence and stupidity.

Both the British and the Iranian governments are milking this for maximum propaganda value and playing to their respective galleries. Neither has any real care at all for either the British captives or the thousands who could die in Iran and Basra if this gets out of hand.

Tony Blair's contempt for Middle Eastern lives has already been adequately demonstrated in Iraq and Lebanon. His lack of genuine concern for British servicemen demonstrated by his steadfast refusal to meet even one parent of a dead British serviceman or woman, killed in the wars he created. He is confronting an Iranian leadership with an equal lust for glory and lack of human concern.

It is essential now for both sides to back down. No solution is possible if either side continues to insist that the other is completely in the wrong and they are completely in the right. And the first step towards finding a peaceful way out, is to acknowledge the self-evident truth that maritime boundaries are disputed and problematic in this area.

Both sides can therefore accept that the other acted in good faith with regard to their view of where the boundary was. They can also accept that boats move about and all the coordinates given by either party were also in good faith. The captives should be immediately released and, to international acclamation, Iran and Iraq, which now are good neighbours, should appoint a joint panel of judges to arbitrate a maritime boundary and settle this boundary dispute.

That is the way out. For the British to insist on their little red border line, or the Iranians on their GPS coordinates, plainly indicates a greater desire to score propaganda points in the run up to a war in which a lot of people will die, than to resolve the dispute and free the captives. The international community needs to put heavy pressure on both Britain and Iran to stop this mad confrontation.

The British people must break out of the jingoism created by their laudable concern for their servicemen and woman, and realise that this is just a small part of the madness of our policy of continual war in the Middle East. That is what we have to stop.

As Britain's outspoken Ambassador to the Central Asian Republic of Uzbekistan, Craig Murray helped expose vicious human rights abuses by the US-funded regime of Islam Karimov. He is now a prominent critic of Western policy in the region.

 

Yes. We must look toward such countries to enlighten us barbaric Westerners on what a civilized society really is like....

 

Common sense prediction. I might be wrong on this not making any difference in the long run, this happening could make relations better between the two countries.