The Iraq "Civil War" -

Discussion in 'Politics' started by SouthAmerica, Sep 20, 2005.

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    April 30, 2006

    SouthAmerica: This news about “US Broken in Iraq” was front-page news on Saturday April 29, 2006 on “A Folha de Sao Paulo” – a major newspaper in Brazil.

    One day later, but at least ABC News is mentioning today to the American people.

    I wonder why today it takes so long for the news to reach the American mainstream media – time after time I read news on the foreign press before I read it on an American publication.

    Come on guys – this is the age of the internet – you have to put your act together.

    I guess I have an advantage over Americans who can read only one language.

    By the way, the "Iraq Civil War" is right on schedule - and getting worse by the day.



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    ABC News – April 30, 2006

    “Al-Qaida Leader: U.S. 'Broken' in Iraq”
    No. 2 Leader of al-Qaida Says Insurgent Suicide Bombings Have 'Broken' U.S. Military in Iraq
    By LEE KEATH

    CAIRO, Egypt Apr 29, 2006 (AP)— The U.S. military has only seen "loss, disaster and misfortune" in Iraq, al-Qaida's No. 2 said, in a video message that a U.S. official deemed part of a propaganda campaign to demonstrate the terror network's relevancy.

    The video by Ayman al-Zawahri, posted on an Islamic militant Web forum Saturday, came within the same week as an audiotape by Osama bin Laden and a video by the head of al-Qaida's branch in Iraq a volley of messages by the group's most prominent figures.

    Al-Zawahri, an Egyptian militant believed to be hiding in Afghanistan or Pakistan, also denounced the leaders of Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Iraq as "traitors" and called on Muslims to rise up to "confront them."

    He said that U.S. and British forces in Iraq had bogged down in Iraq and "have achieved nothing but loss, disaster and misfortune."

    Al-Qaida in Iraq "alone has carried out 800 martyrdom operations (suicide attacks) in three years, besides the sacrifices of the other mujahedeen, and this is what has broken the back of American in Iraq," al-Zawahri said….


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    AP – Associated Press – April 30, 2006

    "Violence Uproots 100,000 Families in Iraq"
    By ROBERT H. REID, Associated Press Writer


    BAGHDAD, Iraq - Sectarian violence has forced about 100,000 families across Iraq to flee their homes, a top Iraqi official said. At least 17 people, including an American soldier, were killed Saturday in fighting.

    Adil Abdul-Mahdi, one of the country's two vice presidents, estimated on Friday that 100,000 Iraqi families — 90 percent of them his fellow Shiites — had fled their homes to escape attacks by rival religious sects.

    Abdul-Mahdi's estimate was higher than any offered so far by Iraqi officials….


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    #51     Apr 30, 2006
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    #52     Apr 30, 2006
  3. what happens to iraq is irrelevant to americans......except for americans dying.........2500???? more than that dies in 2 hours 9/11........Brazil? what is in brazil besides some nut trees and banana plantations not even owned by brazilians...the homeys do the da machete work for rich comp;anies owned by americans......as long as ragheads don't hurt us on our soil, we are winning bigtime, all the time............
     
    #53     Apr 30, 2006
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    EqtTrdr: Welcome to Iraq the 51st state.


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    SouthAmerica: You are wrong about that.

    Right now Iraq is the 52nd state – you forgot to count Afghanistan.(the 51st state)


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    Porgie: what happens to iraq is irrelevant to americans......except for americans dying.........2500???? more than that dies in 2 hours 9/11........


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    April 30, 2006

    SouthAmerica: Do you really believe that?

    Don’t forget the other 17, 000 Americans who were wounded in that war so far – and half of those young men are damaged for the rest of their lives because they are paralyzed, no arms and no legs, blind, and so on….

    Don’t forget the damage from the Iraq war will last for many years. For example during the Vietnam War 50,000 Americans died during the war, but since the war ended in 1974 another 150,000 Vietnam War veterans committed suicide – and half of the homeless people around the United States today are Vietnam Vets.

    You can bet the same story will repeat in the United States regarding the Iraq War vets.


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    Porgie: Brazil? what is in brazil besides some nut trees and banana plantations not even owned by brazilians...the homeys do the da machete work for rich comp;anies owned by americans......


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    April 30, 2006

    SouthAmerica: You must be a clueless person. Anyway.

    Brazil is 30 years ahead of the United States regarding energy policy.

    Today, Brazil is self-sufficient regarding energy. The high price of oil will affect the Brazilian economy only a little when compared with the damage that will do to the American economy.

    Basically, what I am saying here is that the US economy is becoming an economy of yesterday – and Brazil is today the prototype of the economy of tomorrow regarding the area of energy.

    Americans are Pathetic with their energy policy – they don’t learn their lesson.

    Brazil did learn their energy lesson during the energy crisis of 1974 – and they did something about it. Today Brazil is independent from importing oil from anywhere and Brazil does not have to go around the world starting wars because the country is so desperate to secure a supply of oil.

    The US is so desperate today that might even have to use nuclear weapons against Iran because of oil.

    It is Pathetic.

    You are trying to say that Brazil is a “Banana Republic” – I think you got that one wrong.

    We know which country is becoming the real “Banana Republic.”


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    Porgie: as long as ragheads don't hurt us on our soil, we are winning bigtime, all the time.....


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    SouthAmerica: The US lost already in every way we can look at.

    Today Iraq is to the United States what Afghanistan was for the Soviet Union.

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    #54     May 1, 2006
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    May 1, 2006

    SouthAmerica: Another turning point in the Iraq “maze”. According to George W. Bush the United States achieved another turning point in Iraq - this is turning point number 75 and the United States is right on schedule on the road to nowhere in Iraq. We have no idea how many turns there are on this maze.

    Since we are clueless about everything regarding Iraq at least we have one piece of good news to report: The good news is that when you don’t know where you are going any road it will take you there.


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    The New York Times – May 1, 2006
    “Bush Hails a 'Turning Point' in Iraq”
    By JOHN O'NEIL
    Published: May 1, 2006

    President Bush today called the formation of a new Iraqi government "a turning point," after hearing from Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld about their weekend meeting with that country's prime minister designate.

    Mr. Bush cautioned that "there's going to be more tough days ahead," but he said that "it's important for the American people to know that we've got partners in this effort who are dedicated to a unified Iraq."

    The president said that Ms. Rice and Mr. Rumsfeld had gone to Baghdad over the weekend "to sit down with these new folks and say, 'You have our support and we want you to succeed.' "
    Mr. Bush spoke outside the Oval Office after a briefing that included Ms. Rice and Mr. Rumsfeld and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Peter Pace.

    He said that the cabinet secretaries had reported that the new leaders "were optimistic people, that they're full of energy and they're very eager to succeed."

    The weekend meetings included Nuri Kamal al-Maliki, who was named by a Shiite coalition after its first choice for prime minister was blocked; President Jalal Talabani, a Kurd; and Mahmoud Mashhadani, the Sunni politician chosen last week as the speaker of the new Parliament.

    The choice of Mr. Maliki appeared to end months of stalemate that followed last December's parliamentary elections, as Kurds and Sunnis refused to endorse the initial choice of the Shiite coalition, Prime Minister Ibrahim Jaafari.

    Mr. Maliki has said that he will try to fill the rest of the cabinet sooner than the 30 days he has under the new Constitution. But hard bargaining is expected over many of the positions, particularly for the Defense and Interior Ministries, which Sunnis had complained had become infiltrated by Shiite militia members under Mr. Jaafari….


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    Maze:

    a. An intricate, usually confusing network of interconnecting pathways, as in a garden; a labyrinth.
    b. A physical situation in which it is easy to get lost: a maze of bureaucratic divisions.


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    #55     May 1, 2006
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    May 9, 2006

    SouthAmerica: On May 8, 2006 The New York Times had an editorial “Funny Money on Iraq.”

    The editorial said the following regarding the annual cost of Iraq: “…now mounting to about $ 100 billion dollars a year, or just under 20 percent of total military spending.”

    What a waste of money in Iraq – mainly when you compare it with the cost of running a country such as Brazil. Never mind what the $ 100 billion dollars would do to help the American people right here in the USA. (Remember Katrina?)



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    BRAZIL

    Area: total: 8,511,965 sq km

    Population: 190,000,000 (2006 Est.)

    Actual Government Expenditures: $ 172 billion dollars for year 2004

    (The amount translates to a higher figure in US dollars because of a declining US dollar versus the Real – the Brazilian currency – during the year of 2004.)


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    IRAQ

    Area: total: 437,072 sq km

    Population: 26,783,383 (July 2006 est.)

    Government Expenditures for 2006: $ 100 billion dollars


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    #56     May 9, 2006
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    May 17, 2006

    SouthAmerica: I understand that the American mainstream media can handle only one major subject at the time.

    But there is still a civil war going on in Iraq. And on Tuesday 36 people were killed by the insurgents and another 50 people were injured on insurgency attacks.

    It is pathetic this kind of information is not even mentioned by the American mainstream media. I just looked on Google news and I did not see any piece about the Iraq civil war and these insurgency attacks. In contrast today this is front page on a major Brazilian newspaper in Sao Paulo, Brazil.

    The civil war in Iraq is so out of control that the Bush administration decided to focus the attention of the American people on illegal immigration – as if this illegal immigration problem had just happened here in the United States.

    Americans don’t even know if there are 12 or 20 million illegal immigrants living inside the United States today. Maybe all these illegal immigrants just moved to the US in last few months to create a diversion and a distraction from the fiasco that is going on in Iraq.

    At this point I am sure the Bush administration does not want to hear anything regarding the Iraq civil war. Maybe if they ignore for a while the problem will go away.



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    “Onda de violência deixa ao menos 36 mortos no Iraque”
    A Folha de Sao Paulo – May 17, 2006

    A escalada de violência no Iraque deixou ao menos 36 pessoas mortas nesta terça-feira e cerca de 50 feridas em diferentes ataques e atentados perpetrados por insurgentes.

    Um ataque realizado por um homem armado e um carro-bomba em uma garagem matou 19 pessoas e deixou outras 37 feridas no noroeste de Bagdá, capital do Iraque, de acordo com informações da polícia. O ataque destruiu ao menos dois ônibus que estavam estacionados no local.

    O capitão de polícia iraquiano Ali al Obeidi disse que o homem armado iniciou seu ataque atirando contra cinco guardas ao ar livre, em uma área que serve como estacionamento de um pequeno mercado na vizinhança de Shaab, um distrito comercial.

    Quando pessoas que estavam no local se aproximaram da cena do ataque, um carro-bomba explodiu perto de um tanque de óleo, que explodiu, gerando uma enorme bola de fogo.

    Televisões exibiram cenas de restos do carro-bomba, assim como de roupas e sandálias das vítimas espalhados pelo local. Aparentemente, o ataque foi programado para ferir e matar o maior número de pessoas possível.

    Nenhum grupo assumiu a autoria da ação e não são conhecidas as razões do ataque, mas suspeita-se que a agressão seja motivada por razões sectárias. O distrito de Shaab é habitado por maioria xiita.

    Também nesta terça-feira, tiroteios entre supostos insurgentes e soldados iraquianos causaram a morte de seis civis no bairro de Dora, em Bagdá.

    Homens armados seqüestraram nesta terça-feira, em Bagdá, um diplomata dos Emirados Árabes Unidos, informou uma fonte do ministério do Interior iraquiano.

    O diplomata visitava um prédio anexo à embaixada de seu país, situada no bairro sunita de Al Mansur, quando vários homens armados entraram no local e o seqüestraram. Um dos guarda-costas do cônsul foi ferido no ataque e levado ao hospital Yarmuk de Bagdá.

    Insurgentes também mataram quatro iraquianos que trabalhavam na base americana de Taji, quando os suspeitos abriram fogo contra a van que os transportava no norte da capital iraquiana. Outros oito ocupantes do veículo ficaram feridos, segundo a polícia.

    Homens armados e mascarados também mataram Abbas Ali Dhahe, xiita que era vice-reitor em uma universidade de Bagdá. Três dos guarda-costas dele ficaram feridos, de acordo com a polícia, que informou também que outras cinco pessoas morreram em ataques ou tiroteios no Iraque.

    Um soldado americano morreu quando uma bomba colocada na beira da estrada explodiu perto do campo de Rasheed, uma antiga instalação militar iraquiana.

    Insurgência

    Ontem militares americanos e iraquianos anunciaram a morte de 40 suspeitos de participar da insurgência do Iraque. As mortes teriam ocorrido durante operações das forças dos EUA e do Iraque lançadas no último fim de semana.

    Um dos líderes do braço da rede terrorista Al Qaeda no Iraque, Abu Mustafaf, estaria entre os mortos, vítimas dos ataques à Latifiyah, ao sul da capital Bagdá. Oito rebeldes foram detidos nas ações.

    Segundo um comunicado do Exército dos EUA, duas mulheres e duas crianças ficaram feridas nas operações.

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    #57     May 17, 2006
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    May 21, 2006

    SouthAmerica: The Green Zone has a new government and a lot of wishful thinking.

    They are so desperate to create a new government for the Green Zone that they even picked an infidel (the Christian) to be part of this exercise in non-sense.

    In general a civil war takes its course until someone come up on top and become the new leader and many times a civil war can go on for decades before they get to that point.

    In Iraq there is a nasty civil war going on and before we know who is going to come on top – The US asked for a time out to stage some elections – and now they want to give the appearance that the staged election was valid – but the Iraqi people continues with their nasty sectarian civil war anyway.

    Only a fool would believe that the Iraq civil war is going to stop just because the US staged a new government taking office to rule the Green Zone.

    Outside of the Green Zone the real world continues with a raging civil war completely out of control.

    You don’t have to be a Rocket Scientist” to figure out that this new government it does not mean anything for the rest of the population that is fighting a civil war.

    If you don’t believe that - then all you have to do is stop protecting the people who are supposed to be part of this new government and if after a week there is any member of this new government alive then you know there is hope for the future – otherwise this new government is as good as the prior governments that the US has been trying to install in Iraq in the last 3 years.

    My money is on a continuing Iraq civil war until the US occupation forces leave that country. That is a sure bet and the rest it is just wishful thinking and nothing else.



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    Los Angeles Times - May 21, 2006
    “A New Iraqi Government Takes Office”
    The inauguration ends a five-month deadlock. But the first full-term Cabinet since Hussein is incomplete and may be too diverse to prevail.
    By Megan K. Stack and Borzou Daragahi, Times Staff Writers


    BAGHDAD — Iraq's battling communities came together Saturday to approve their first full-term government since the fall of Saddam Hussein, placing a nation fractured from three years of war into the hands of a diverse but potentially weak Cabinet.

    In a stuffy chamber tucked deep inside rings of blast walls, barbed wire and bomb-sniffing dogs, parliament voted in favor of a 36-member Cabinet cobbled together by new Prime Minister Nouri Maliki. In the heart of the Green Zone, far from the reach of ordinary Iraqis, lawmakers raised their hands to vet each member.

    …But Maliki, a Shiite Muslim hard-liner, faces a perilous obstacle course. He has a Cabinet so wide-ranging that it could collapse, a 34-point program aimed at satisfying each faction, and a disillusioned, weary nation to govern.

    The Cabinet, which includes four women, has 19 Shiites, eight Sunni Arabs, eight Kurds and one Christian….


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    #58     May 21, 2006
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    May 23, 2006

    SouthAmerica: According to George W. Bush the new government just installed in Iraq has turn a new page on the book that he is using as the master plan for the rebuilding of Iraq.

    So far George W. Bush got to about page 10 of his master plan for Iraq and the Middle East – the only thing that he has not mentioned to the American public is that his plan has more pages than the book “War and Peace” by Leo Tolstoy – before he can get close of achieving his goals for Iraq and the Middle East.

    George said that he is very happy with the US “pogress” in Iraq – he is on page 10 of his master plan for Iraq and he has only 1,500 more pages to go…..


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    #59     May 23, 2006
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    June 3, 2006

    SouthAmerica: The New York Times published a column by Thomas L. Friedman on Friday June 2, 2006 – “Insurgency Out, Anarchy In.”

    Friedman said on his column: “…And such a national unity government can only be the product of Iraq’s leaders deciding whether they love their kids more than they hate each other. That is the most important question Iraqis must answer.

    …We can’t keep asking Americans to sacrifice their children for people who hate each other more than they love their own children.”

    I guess the Iraqis are following the American model – love of war over children – remember the US civil war – I guess Americans love more war than their kids according to Thomas L. Friedman theories – and in the American example they did not have the strong passions that religion brings to a civil war.

    I know that Americans are very slow learners, but eventually even them will catch up to the fact that Iraq has been engulfed in a sectarian civil war for a long time. Why Thomas L. Friedman is not honest with his readers and just say it? - Iraq is engulfed in a nasty sectarian civil war and there is nothing the United States can do about that other than get out of the way and let the Iraqis settle their differences among themselves.

    Americans don’t know even who to kill anymore since from their perspective everybody are their enemy – they can’t figure out the difference between a Suni, a Shiite, an insurgent, an Al Qaeda foreign fighter (everybody looks foreign to them) or a civilian.

    The talking heads on various television programs here in the US – or they are very simple minded people or they think the American public are brain dead – they keep talking about Iraq as if things are getting good over their, and many of them blame the media for not reporting the good news from Iraq.

    In their opinion, if the mainstream media stopped reporting about bombings, killings, massacre of civilians, all kinds of bad stuff inside the prison system, and all the other bad news from Iraq – then things would not be so bad in Iraq. If you are not reporting these things then it is not happening according to them.


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    #60     Jun 3, 2006