The intifada in France

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by sputdr, Oct 5, 2006.

  1. Muslims are waging civil war against us, claims police union
    By David Rennie, Europe Correspondent
    (Filed: 05/10/2006)

    Radical Muslims in France's housing estates are waging an undeclared "intifada" against the police, with violent clashes injuring an average of 14 officers each day.

    Interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy was warned of an 'intifada'

    As the interior ministry said that nearly 2,500 officers had been wounded this year, a police union declared that its members were "in a state of civil war" with Muslims in the most depressed "banlieue" estates which are heavily populated by unemployed youths of north African origin.

    It said the situation was so grave that it had asked the government to provide police with armoured cars to protect officers in the estates, which are becoming no-go zones.

    The number of attacks has risen by a third in two years. Police representatives told the newspaper Le Figaro that the "taboo" of attacking officers on patrol has been broken.

    Instead, officers – especially those patrolling in pairs or small groups – faced attacks as soon as they tried to arrest locals.

    Senior officers insisted that the problem was essentially criminal in nature, with crime bosses on the estates fighting back against tough tactics.

    The interior minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, who is also the leading centre-Right candidate for the presidency, has sent heavily equipped units into areas with orders to regain control from drug smuggling gangs and other organised crime rings. Such aggressive raids were "disrupting the underground economy in the estates", one senior official told Le Figaro.

    However, not all officers on the ground accept that essentially secular interpretation. Michel Thoomis, the secretary general of the hardline Action Police trade union, has written to Mr Sarkozy warning of an "intifada" on the estates and demanding that officers be given armoured cars in the most dangerous areas.

    He said yesterday: "We are in a state of civil war, orchestrated by radical Islamists. This is not a question of urban violence any more, it is an intifada, with stones and Molotov cocktails. You no longer see two or three youths confronting police, you see whole tower blocks emptying into the streets to set their 'comrades' free when they are arrested."

    He added: "We need armoured vehicles and water cannon. They are the only things that can disperse crowds of hundreds of people who are trying to kill police and burn their vehicles."

    However, Gerard Demarcq, of the largest police unions, Alliance, dismissed talk of an "intifada" as representing the views of only a minority.

    Mr Demarcq said that the increased attacks on officers were proof that the policy of "retaking territory" from criminal gangs was working.

    Mayors in the worst affected suburbs, which saw weeks of riots and car-burning a year ago, have expressed fears of a vicious circle, as attacks by locals lead the police to harden their tactics, further increasing resentment.

    As if to prove that point, there were angry reactions in the western Paris suburb of Les Mureaux following dawn raids in search of youths who attacked a police unit on Sunday. The raids led to one arrest. They followed clashes on Sunday night when scores of youths attacked seven officers who had tried to arrest a man for not wearing his seat belt while driving. That driver refused to stop, and later rammed a police car trying to block his path.

    The mayor of Les Mureaux, Francois Garay, criticised aggressive police tactics that afterwards left "the people on the ground to pick up the pieces".
  2. "We, the Frogestinian people demand our own homeland! Five million Frogestinians are forced to live in refugee camps under French occupation. The French and Frogestinian people must come to the negotiating table to work out an equitable solution for both peoples, and the creation of an independent Frogestinian state!"

    ~Mohammad Abu-Merde, Frogestinian spokesman

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    <i>Don't get it? When launching an Intifada, a proven effective method for the rioters is to create a fake new 'nationality', draw up their own flag, and claim to be an occupied people without a homeland.

    Trust me, it works!
  3. French solution: Paristinian state
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    OK, enough is enough.

    It's clear France is no longer in control of its population.

    It's clear millions within its borders are struggling for freedom and independence.

    It's clear that these people are not rioting for the sake of rioting, they are responding to oppression from French authorities.

    It's clear that their uprising cannot be met with state violence, because that would only lead to a cycle of violence.

    It's clear that these freedom-fighters – whom I have dubbed "Paristinians" – want a state of their own.

    It's clear that the international community must force France to the negotiating table with these freedom fighters to begin the peace process that will inevitably lead to the creation of an autonomous, independent state of "Paristine."

    If it's good enough for Israel, it's good enough for the French surrender monkeys who have been leaders of the global movement to force the Jewish state into appeasement of terrorists.

    We've got to stop referring to this "intifada" in France as "riots." This is a movement for self-determination. This is a movement for independence. This is a movement for freedom from imperialism.

    The analogy is apt.

    That's not "Frère Jacques" they're singing in France. It's "Fire Jacques."

    The president of France can see the cinder in the eye of others, but is missing the beam in his own.

    What's good for the goose liver is good for the gander liver.

    The chicken cordon bleu has come home to roost.

    It's time for France to stop the hypocrisy.

    It's time for the French to take a dose of the medicine they have been handing out to the Jews of Israel.

    It's time to end the apartheid within its population. It's time for France to stop treating those poor, Muslim immigrants as second-class citizens. It's time to accept the only permanent solution that can address the root problem in French society – the recognition of the Paristinians as a legitimate negotiating partner.

    Enough rubber bullets!

    Enough police repression!

    Enough calls for restraint!

    Enough with the threats!

    Before this cycle of violence spreads throughout all of Europe, France needs to do the right thing.

    The French have been speaking out of both sides of their mouths for too long. They've been speaking out of both of their nostrils for too long, too. If appeasement was the solution in Iraq, it's the solution for the "Paristinian" revolt. If appeasement was the solution for Hitler, it's the solution for the "Paristinian" revolt. If appeasement was the solution for Israel in dealing with its "Palestinian" problem, it's the solution for France's "Paristinian" uprising.

    As I mentioned yesterday in my column, if France has these kinds of systemic problems with its Muslim population, then it is time to partition France. It's time for an independent Muslim state to be created. After all, isn't that what France and other European nations have determined is the proper solution for Israel?

    These are not just riots. This is an intifada – just like the one begun in 2000 within and around Israel.

    France and other countries, including the United States, have demanded that Israel meet those attacks with land concessions to the rioters and suicide bombers. That is the only viable, long-term solution, they say. They claim this violence will never cease until those oppressed by Israel are granted an independent, autonomous state of their own.

    Why should the solution be any different in France?

    Stop the violence! Now – not at a snail's pace. The time has come to begin talks with the "Paristinians" about their own future homeland of "Paristine."
  4. Why the sarcasm? France would clearly be better off - almost immeasurably so - if it carved out a statelet into which it could pack every Muslim (and African). No question.
  5. ...but then the new Frogestinian State would instantly become a 3rd world shithole, and the Muzzies would just immigrate back into France.
  6. and the jews and americans would be responsible.
  7. Ah, but you don't let them.
  8. Ah ha!

    I'm quite sure you were peeved and disappointed with me over my devils advocate defense of Adolph Hitler. You sir, with your VAST intellectual gamesmanship should KNOW where I was going.

    Do political or social leaders wake up in the morning thinking, "how can I become the most hated guy in history today"? Of course not. They think, "I'm doing the RIGHT thing."

    Was Hitler's hatred of Jews based on the threat of communism in Germany any worse or more irrational than France's fear of Islamic rioting? Was the assault on peaceful civilians in Germany by FDR and Churchill any worse or better than Bush's assault on the people of Iraq? Is the notion of reprisal morally superior to instigation?

    Here's the point RM. Hitler, FDR, Roosevelt, Bush, LBJ, Lincoln, Stalin, Mao, Arafat, the last eight or so PM's of Israel all believed they were killing in the name of RIGHTEOUSNESS! Morally, politically, historically, to a man they thought there was a military "solution" to a perceived injustice.

    My take is, don't have a pre-disposed opinion. (like ignoring the tape and being bearish ES :p) Be understanding that BOTH sides of an issue have a viewpoint and that horrible actions can accompany those truths.

    IMO, muZZZlim's suck and I hope France goes postal on them. But by the same token, knowing that I'm an asshole I try hard to not cast the first stone at OTHERS who've made equally hardline decisions. You know, none of us can have our cake and eat it too.
  9. Someone admiring Hitler's oratorical skills is "shocking". Bashing all French people and the inhabitants of 1 1/2 continents is a matter for amusement. Interesting double standard.