The homebuilders are officially over..

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Trend Fader, Sep 7, 2005.

  1. #11     Sep 7, 2005
  2. New Homes Sales were up over 5% last month

    With all the immigration and population growth going on this is now a growth industry, no longer a cyclical. Soon the homey's will start reflecting that in thier multiples.

    For now, it's a downtrend.
     
    #12     Sep 8, 2005
  3. Selling $650k second homes like TOL.. is not a growth industry. Lets get real here.

    Its a by product of the huge speculative RE bubble and asset inflation wealth effect.

    Problem with the housing industry is that eventually they go up so much that the house prices are no longer affordable.. like right now .. will take years for prices to stablilze..

    When house prices stop going up and buying stabilizes or goes down... their earnings will take years to recover.

    --Mike
     
    #13     Sep 8, 2005
  4. Good points!

    But people scale up in $650K houses, and then use their smaller houses for investments. The speculation I believe is in the condo markets and the very high end or very low end of the housing market.

    Their profits have grown substantially, but they do not need higher prices for growth, just continued increases in sales.

    Tony
     
    #14     Sep 8, 2005
  5. Tell us something we dont know already. Whats harder is seeing that a home is everyones precious investment and that when the shit hits the fan, people and especially the Fed will rally around this idea.
     
    #15     Sep 8, 2005
  6. someone's gonna by busy rebuilding a few cities in the south...don't think that would affect construction, though, do you?
     
    #16     Sep 8, 2005
  7. Agree about the FED!

    However, feel the FED has been tight because of the escalation in housing prices. Greenspan has 'bubble' fears! Now, that existing home sales are sliding I'm sure they will go on hold.

    Tony
     
    #17     Sep 8, 2005
  8. Good point!
    And probably all new homes too
    Water damage is nasty
     
    #18     Sep 8, 2005
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    #19     Sep 8, 2005
  10. They had a big run up before this decline
    A good 2 -3 month base building would do them well
     
    #20     Sep 8, 2005