Yes, they are known as strawman arguments. But that's not the only similarity of course. Anyway, I am glad you're back Wael, your pompous diatribes were entertaining, fact-free and stupid. Occasionally you managed to turn the palestinian cause into such a pathetic joke that I thought you were planted by the Mossad.
LOL! i hope i did not offend you in anyway. anyway, i said what i have to say, it is your right to assume whatever you like.
The reason the Palestinians rejected the 2 State solution is because Israel won't let the millions of Palestinean refugees return to their homes in what is now called"Israel". The 1948 war to preserve Palestine was merely intented to prevent the foreign invaders (mostly poor scum from the ghettos in Poland and eastern europe) from splitting their nation into 2 parts with the Jewish minority ruling over a state where Palestinians are historically in the majority. The 1967 war was provoked by Israel. The Jews could easily afford a 3 front war because of the superb weaponry the Americans and French gave to them. The Zionists did not give a damn thing about the Geneva convention and executed many Egyptian prisoners of war. James Ennis who was on deck of the USS liberty was an eye witness of that. Here is an interesting article about the 1967 war: http://judicial-inc.biz/War_Israel_1967.htm The Yom Kippur war was simply an attempt by the Egyptians and Syrians to liberate the land the Jews stole from them in 1967.
The right of return is a non-starter, and you know that, the entire world knows that. If you don't like it - too bad cause it won't happen. It does not matter how many times arabs get defeated and humiliated, they don't seem to learn the lesson, their whining increases exponentially though. Tough luck, huh? 5 armies invaded israel in 1948, they lost the war, now they eat shit. Welcome to the real world. On May 15, Israel's Independence Day, Egyptian troops began moving into the Sinai and massing near the Israeli border. By May 18, Syrian troops were prepared for battle along the Golan Heights. Nasser ordered the UN Emergency Force, stationed in the Sinai since 1956, to withdraw on May 16. the Voice of the Arabs proclaimed (May 18, 1967): As of today, there no longer exists an international emergency force to protect Israel. We shall exercise patience no more. We shall not complain any more to the UN about Israel. The sole method we shall apply against Israel is total war, which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence. An enthusiastic echo was heard May 20 from Syrian Defense Minister Hafez Assad: Our forces are now entirely ready not only to repulse the aggression, but to initiate the act of liberation itself, and to explode the Zionist presence in the Arab homeland. The Syrian army, with its finger on the trigger, is united....I, as a military man, believe that the time has come to enter into a battle of annihilation. On May 22, Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran to all Israeli shipping and all ships bound for Eilat. This blockade cut off Israel's only supply route with Asia and stopped the flow of oil from its main supplier, Iran. Nasser challenged Israel to fight almost daily. "Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight," he said on May 27. The following day, he added: "We will not accept any...coexistence with Israel...Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel....The war with Israel is in effect since 1948." King Hussein of Jordan signed a defense pact with Egypt on May 30. Nasser then announced: The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are poised on the borders of Israel...to face the challenge, while standing behind us are the armies of Iraq, Algeria, Kuwait, Sudan and the whole Arab nation. This act will astound the world. Today they will know that the Arabs are arranged for battle, the critical hour has arrived. We have reached the stage of serious action and not declarations. President Abdur Rahman Aref of Iraq joined in the war of words: "The existence of Israel is an error which must be rectified. This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear -- to wipe Israel off the map." On June 4, Iraq joined the military alliance with Egypt, Jordan and Syria. The Arab rhetoric was matched by the mobilization of Arab forces. Approximately 250,000 troops (nearly half in Sinai), more than 2,000 tanks and 700 aircraft ringed Israel. By this time, Israeli forces had been on alert for three weeks. The country could not remain fully mobilized indefinitely, nor could it allow its sea lane through the Gulf of Aqaba to be interdicted. Israel had no choice but preemptive action. To do this successfully, Israel needed the element of surprise. Had it waited for an Arab invasion, Israel would have been at a potentially catastrophic disadvantage. On June 5, the order was given to attack Egypt. Prime Minister Levi Eshkol sent a message to King Hussein saying Israel would not attack Jordan unless he initiated hostilities. When Jordanian radar picked up a cluster of planes flying from Egypt to Israel, and the Egyptians convinced Hussein the planes were theirs, he then ordered the shelling of West Jerusalem.
============== sharkbites; Several reliable sources including Israel ,our long trerm ally/friend says it thier land. As FLAME[Facts/logic about middle east;] says dont consider Israel occupied territory any more than consider Texas occupied territory. Besides all that some one wrote in to a T.B.N. teacher & said how could God just give Israel the land;??????? the answer=Genesis 1;1
Are numbers and events listed regarding palestinian land and displacement of palestinians factual or not? So God told Israel to get the land that others live on? Are these numbers wrong also? http://www.ifamericansknew.org/ I'm trying to understand what's going on and were is my tax dollars going. Form what I understand reading dddooo and maxpi replies here, Israelis (or Jews, zionists what ever Rothchilds etc) were buying land earlier 1920's Doesn't that mean the land was already belonging to someone else? The the arabs did not want to sell them any more land. Isn't that the land owner's right to not sell his hand? or Law of the land doesn't apply? What recorder's office held the dde transfers? UN? US, Arabs? Israel was not a state yet. So next we have UN and Israel declares it self a state on who's land? The one that has been bought already is but a minute fraction of the UN resolutions agreed upon borders. Where did the land come from? If it was arab land that was taken away by some US, Russia, UN, signed resolution, I can't see why the arabs will not oppose the deal, or is it something else? And so, did the arabs attack to defend their land been grabbed?? and that gave Israel upon winning the right to take over even more and displace 3/4 of palestinians? I'm reading some of the UN resolutions against Israel, and it doesn't look Israel is so innocent either. Then I see the complaints about democratically electing a hamas government. What the heck now, we want democracy only if who we want gets elected? Isn't that a bit hypocritical? If it's religion and God told them to do it, why is that any different from muslims? Each side dehumanizing the other and he with the bigger guns wins? I'm only interested in historical facts, sources that either confirm or reject the numbers etc. Again not trying to offend anyone, just trying to understand. One thing is for sure, for every story there two sides.
Are numbers and events listed regarding palestinian land and displacement of palestinians factual or not? Some of them are, some of them are not, most of them are taken out of context, ignore the entire chain of historical events that led to the situation and put the blame squarely on Israel when in reality it was not their fault (and occasionally it was). Arabs started several wars, lost them all, refuse to accept reasonable peace with Israel, continue military resistance. Shocking surprise that their population is suffering and paying the price. Are these numbers wrong also? http://www.ifamericansknew.org/ My point exactly, right or wrong what are these numbers supposed to prove? Just because more palestinians than Israelis have been killed does not mean that Israel is wrong and Palestinians are right. What it does mean is that Israelis are better soldiers and Israeli children don't participate in riots and intifadas. Some of the numbers are meaningless, some are misleading (i.e. Palestinians get 90% of financial assistance from the EU, not from the US but the "statistics" conveniently ignores this fact. I'm trying to understand what's going on and were is my tax dollars going. Halliburton, the war in Iraq, Exxon Mobile. BTW Egypt, Jordan, Palestinians, Saudi Arabia. What Israel gets is pocket change and most of it comes back as military purchases anyway. Israelis (or Jews, zionists what ever Rothchilds etc) were buying land earlier 1920's the arabs did not want to sell them any more land. When they did not want to sell they were probably offered more money. At any rate the purchases were legal based on the law of the land at that time So next we have UN and Israel declares it self a state on who's land? The borders were the result of intense negotiations and were mostly based on areas with predominantly jewish and predominantely arab polulations. An arab owning a piece of land in the jewish area would have and did become an Israeli citizen and continued owning that land. Where did the land come from? If it was arab land that was taken away by some US, Russia, UN, signed resolution, See above, if it was arab land in the Israeli area the arabs retained the property and became Israeli citizens. Nothing wrong or illegal here. I can't see why the arabs will not oppose the deal, or is it something else? Then I am sure you can't see why jews had every right to oppose the arab opposition. And so, did the arabs attack to defend their land been grabbed? No, they attacked because they wanted one country with an arab majority. Of course when you attack another country you know what's to expect if you lose, right? and that gave Israel upon winning the right to take over even more and displace 3/4 of palestinians? See above, welcome to the real world. You invade a country, you want to grab someone else's land, you lose the war you lose your own land, you can't expect to restore a status quo, rinse and repeat. I'm reading some of the UN resolutions against Israel, and it doesn't look Israel is so innocent either. No it is not. Isn't it ironic that the countries that did not accept the first UN resolution about Israel, that deny Israel's right to exist somehow expect Israel to obide by those resolutions. BTW do you think the fact that there are 100+ muslim oil rich countries in the UN and only one jewish country makes the UN decision inherently fair and balanced with regards to Israel? Then I see the complaints about democratically electing a hamas government. What the heck now, we want democracy only if who we want gets elected? Isn't that a bit hypocritical? With democracy comes responsibility. They had every right to elect a terrorist organization, the rest of the world has every right to make appropriate adjustments to their policies. I'm only interested in historical facts, sources that either confirm or reject the numbers etc. Yeah, right, you are only interested in anti-israel numbers, how come you're not mentioning the number of wars started by arab countries against Israel, the number of terror attacks against Israeli civilians, the number of countries that deny Israel's right to exist.