The Hill: Harris’s economic pitch could cost $1.7 trillion

Discussion in 'Politics' started by ipatent, Aug 16, 2024.

  1. ipatent

    ipatent

    Your media ratings site has a left wing bias and admits its reviews are the opinion of the reviewer.
     
    #21     Aug 20, 2024
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    There are plenty of news sources which are not Russian propaganda outlets; you should focus on using these other more respected sources if you want to be taken seriously or have people address content in the articles.

    You should expect to be called out when you try to use a twisted Russian propaganda website as a source for content. Especially when you regularly try to sneak it in without the url in clear text.
     
    #22     Aug 20, 2024
  3. ipatent

    ipatent

    You are the only one that complains, and plenty of members here seem to like their stories. Your 'proof' that they are a Russian propaganda outlet is based on a few stories they ran before the Ukraine war on the likelihood of Russia invading. The Hill's story points out they got the material from an entity that they were unaware was affiliated with Russia.

    There is no evidence that Russia has influenced any of their other reporting.
     
    #23     Aug 20, 2024
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  4. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    I don't even bother reading the lies of GXB et al.
     
    #24     Aug 20, 2024
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  5. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    They aren't lies... they're links.
    GWB conduit's those links.
    Some are bs, some have merit.
    Am I right?
    ~cc
     
    #25     Aug 20, 2024
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Zero Hedge is basically a Kremlin propaganda outlet. Effectively owned by Moscow who directs the majority of the content of this low credibility website pushing conspiracy nonsense.
     
    #26     Aug 20, 2024
  7. piezoe

    piezoe

    Harris's proposals, it can be argued, are in the nature of investment. They will be paid initially by money creation, just as we "pay" all deficit spending. The intention will be that ultimately her initiatives will be repaid via GDP growth.

    Let's remember that what we call public debt is not really debt. It is nothing at all like private sector debt, i.e., credit, though seen through the eyes of the buyer of such ersatz debt it can not be distinguished from real debt. Only when looked at from the government's perspective is it obviously not debt but instead an interest paying store of money.

    No nation that creates it's own money and has no outstanding true debt instruments denominated in another nations currency has any real debt. The money the Fed refers to as M2 or "the money supply" is almost all temporary "bank money", i.e. credit, created from fractional reserve banking. What we call "the national debt" is mostly present as Treasury Securities, and these, despite their liquidity, are on the shelf as an interest paying store of money that is not a part of the M2 money supply.

    It's helpful to recognize that all our money has its origin in government deficit spending. Without deficits there would be no money at all in the private sector!!! All of the transactional money we use and all of our private sector savings has its origin in deficits!!! And, of course, as the economy grows, the aggregate deficit must grow accordingly to prevent deflation. It's nonsense to speak of paying off the national debt.

    An important consequence of the origin of our money is that we can afford any government investment, the only constraint being the rate of investment. Except in emergencies, new money should not be spent into the economy faster than existing resources can absorb it. Any excess over that will be absorbed by conversion to Treasury Securities to prevent it from being absorbed via inflation.

    I am an advocate of bracketing tax on unearned income, as well as returning to many more upper income tax brackets with a high upper marginal rate, perhaps as high as 70% or even higher. This would lower deficits without harming the economy as those who would be paying such high rates have low propensity to spend most of their income. There is already more than an adequate supply of money to support private sector investment in the form of Treasury Securities owned by the private sector. We don't need to tax in order to spend. Rather we need to tax at high, upper marginal rates to protect our democracy, to fend off what could ultimately become a deficit Treasury-Security servicing spiral and to protect our money's value.
     
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    #27     Aug 21, 2024
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  8. Atlantic

    Atlantic

    meanwhile trump just wants to make billionaires even richer.
     
    #28     Aug 21, 2024
  9. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    It's OK. She's going to tax unrealized gains, so that'll help.
     
    #29     Aug 21, 2024
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  10. piezoe

    piezoe

    you may be a little too gullible when it comes to Zerohedge.
     
    #30     Aug 21, 2024