The Herd, Vaccine and Natural Immunity Thread....

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jem, May 21, 2020.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Once again let's outline what the "national serosurvey" stated.. It sampled in 23 urban areas of India and stated that 67.6% of people in the sample had detectable antibodies. This is very different than the wild claims that 2/3 of India has natural herd immunity.
     
    #601     Aug 23, 2021
  2. jem

    jem

    this is another one of your troll tactics....
    you make distinctions without a difference as act as if your comments are probative...

    it did differ by region... which is why I mentioned regions.

    but... anyone with a brain would also then factor in all of the immunity gained by the healthy who may not have detectable antibodies... and the evidence becomes almost overwhelming in favor of natural herd in immunity in some regions.


     
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    #602     Aug 23, 2021
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Well if India is so close to "natural herd immunity" then they should just stop the lockdowns & restrictions and just let 'er rip. They can even stop vaccinating people and save lots of money.

    Well ignoring the harsh lesson that India already learned that natural antibody immunity wanes --- and many people can get re-infected again in under six months.
     
    #603     Aug 23, 2021
  4. jem

    jem

    you have a very confused mind which is anti science and anti data.


     
    #604     Aug 23, 2021
  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

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    #605     Aug 23, 2021
  6. jem

    jem

    Remember all the time gwb-lying ... lied and said natural immunity only lasts for 3 months.

    Well vaccine immunity has a 13 fold bigger risk for breakthrough and infection and 6-7 fold bigger risk for severe Covid in this study.

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf


    Conclusions: This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta


    SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021. The increased risk was significant (P<0.001) for symptomatic disease as well. When allowing the infection to occur at any time before vaccination (from March 2020 to February 2021), evidence of waning natural immunity was demonstrated, though SARS-CoV-2 naïve vaccinees had a 5.96-fold (95% CI, 4.85 to All rights reserved. No reuse allowed without permission. (which was not certified by peer review) is the author/funder, who has granted medRxiv a license to display the preprint in perpetuity. medRxiv preprint doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415; this version posted August 25, 2021. The copyright holder for this preprint 7.33) increased risk for breakthrough infection and a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21) increased risk for symptomatic disease. SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees were also at a greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were previously infected
     
    #606     Aug 26, 2021
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  7. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    reported for spam
     
    #607     Aug 26, 2021
  8. userque

    userque

    @jem is not going to like that.

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    #608     Aug 26, 2021
  9. jem

    jem

    what a douchbag you are...


    I wrote something different and then provided the link...

    I was going to show us all how many times GWB lied ass off about natural immunity...
    for instance you caught him making shit up here.




    https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/covid-19.341849/page-139#post-5351906




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      gwb-tradingSounds sus. Why are vax antibodies better than immunity antibodies? Kinda flies in the face of what we've known about immunology doesn't it?It does not. Vaccinated antibodies are typically at a level of 20 times or more than natural antibodies in a human... and vaccinated antibodies don't wane quickly.

      Many people who catch diseases (not only COVID) don't develop a high level of antibodies. Usually over 90% of people who get vaccinated for a disease develop sufficient antibodies.

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      CuddlesIt does not. Vaccinated antibodies are typically at a level of 20 times or more than natural antibodies in a human... and vaccinated antibodies don't wane quickly.

      Many people who catch diseases (not only COVID) don't develop a high level of antibodies. Usually over 90% of people who get vaccinated for a disease develop sufficient antibodies.Source?

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      gwb-tradingSource?Why don't you go read up on the decades of research regarding vaccines and immunology,

      Instead of trolling for your amusement.








     
    #609     Aug 26, 2021
  10. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    dbag!
     
    #610     Aug 26, 2021