The Herd, Vaccine and Natural Immunity Thread....

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jem, May 21, 2020.

  1. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    FALSE

    The efficacy rate for the Pfizer vaccine against the Delta variant is 42%.

    The video's numbers are incorrect. This is what led to the CDC freak out, hence, the new mask mandate for even the vaccinated.

    What do you people not get?


    The CDC, Biden admin, and the NIH have been consistently WRONG.

    1. Get vaxxed and you won't get sick = wrong
    2. Get vaxxed and you won't get infected = wrong
    3. Get vaxxed and you won't get seriously ill = wrong
    4. Get vaxxed and you won't spread covid = wrong
     
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    #561     Aug 13, 2021
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  2. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    #562     Aug 13, 2021
  3. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    What I posted is true but not because I've stated it as such... it taught in every Immunology, Virololgy, Genetics, and Infections Disease classes for several decades now.

    Also, Iceland acknowledged such prior to them reaching the high vaccination numbers. :D

    I don't know much about Pfizer itself...but I do know that Iceland is using the following list of vaccines...some of which are not used in North America.

    In fact, a few of the vaccines on the list are not recognized in Canada for entry purposes.
    • Comirnaty – Pfizer/BioNTech
    • Vaxzevria – AstraZeneca
    • AstraZeneca/SK Bio
    • Vaccine AstraZeneca (Covishield), Serum Institute of India
    • Janssen – Cilag International
    • Spikevax; mRNA – 1273, Moderna Biotech
    • Vero Cell – Sinopharm/Beijing Institute of Biological Products
    • Sinovac-CoronaVac (Vero Cell), Sinovac Life Sciences
    Despite EMA not approving it, the country is among the very few European countries to recognize the Covishield vaccine.

    In my opinion, countries with a very high vaccination rate, usually are using vaccines not approved or not accepted as proof of vaccination for travel purposes (e.g. entry into a country).

    Regardless, Base Rate Fallacy is also known in statistics. A good example is the false-positive paradox.
    By the way, vaccines accepted and not accepted in Canada:

    Accepted COVID-19 vaccines in Canada
    • Pfizer-BioNTech (Comirnaty, tozinameran, BNT162b2)
    • Moderna (mRNA-1273)
    • AstraZeneca/COVISHIELD (ChAdOx1-S, Vaxzevria, AZD1222)
    • Janssen/Johnson & Johnson (Ad26.COV2.S)
    Vaccines not currently accepted for fully vaccinated status in Canada:
    • Bharat Biotech (Covaxin, BBV152 A, B, C)
    • Cansino (Convidecia, Ad5-nCoV)
    • Gamalaya (Sputnik V, Gam-Covid-Vac)
    • Sinopharm (BBIBP-CorV, Sinopharm-Wuhan)
    • Sinovac (CoronaVac, PiCoVacc)
    • Vector Institute (EpiVacCorona)
    • Other
    The list of accepted vaccines may expand in the future.

    wrbtrader
     
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    #563     Aug 13, 2021
  4. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    I am not attempting to make an argument against Base Rate Fallacy.

    Just plug 42% into the model rather than 95% efficacy rate and then look at the numbers.
     
    #564     Aug 13, 2021
  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Apparently you didn’t even watch the video which goes through many different scenarios.
     
    #565     Aug 13, 2021
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    So let’s see if you understand the basic math and science— If the effectiveness for preventing infection transmission is 42% then is the expected vaccinated breakthrough infection rate greater or lower than 3%. Give us your answer and explain why.
     
    #566     Aug 13, 2021
  7. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    Ok...I misunderstood.

    Also, I don't have access to the % of use for each of those vaccines being used in Iceland. I think you keep mentioning 42% in reference to Pfizer that may have (they used the words "may be") for what was occurring in Minnesota in which the study has not yet been peer-reviewed.

    Personally, I'm not interested in efficacy dropping because I learned in college... it's normal for efficacy to decline from month to month and from year to year.

    Yet, I'm more interested in a vaccine's ability to prevent hospitalization, ICU admissions, and death.

    You mention Pfizer but I'm fully vaccinated with Moderna. Thus, I'll compare the two.
    • Both were also highly effective against hospitalization (Moderna 91.6%, Pfizer 85%), ICU admission (Moderna 93.3%, Pfizer 87%), and death from COVID-19 (no cases found).
    Excellent vaccine numbers in my opinion because the above three categories (e.g. hospitalization, ICU admission, deaths) are what people should be using to decide if they're going to be vaccinated and then which vaccine they want to be vaccinated with.

    In fact, there's a growing phenomenon called "Vaccine Tourism" in which the elite are traveling to countries that offer a specific vaccine with those types of good numbers.

    Don't misunderstand, I'm not trying to convince you to be vaccinated. I'm fully vaccinated for a while, so are my teenagers and family members living in other countries.

    I'm using my academic background in Immunology and Genetics plus the help of a few family members that are Doctors / Nurses with my Doctor to navigate this Pandemic clusterfuck.
    • Fuck anyone that's not vaccinated and refuses to wear a face mask...trying to put others in danger.
    wrbtrader
     
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    #567     Aug 13, 2021
  8. smallfil

    smallfil

    Lord Fauci remembered he had close ties to the Pharma companies and their billions of dollars in profits from the vaccines. What would happen if there is an actual cure for Corona Virus? Vaccines all become worthless. That is why he continues to discredit and attack Ivermectin. Can't have that when the CDC is already talking about giving people their 3rd and 4th booster shots? Oh, Lord Fauci said that this will be a yearly thing where we all get vaccinated all over again. These shady dirty games never end. ET trolls jumping for joy in the peanut gallery.
     
    #568     Aug 13, 2021
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  9. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    Massive super spreader event!

    It looks like there is a high probability that someone will die due to Obama's extreme narcissism.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...positive-Covid-Obamas-60th-birthday-bash.html

    EXCLUSIVE: At least 74 people on Martha's Vineyard have tested positive for Covid-19 since Barack Obama's maskless 60th birthday bash - the most cases on the island since April
    • A total of 74 people on Martha's Vineyard have tested positive for Covid-19 since former President Barack Obama's 60th birthday on Saturday
    • The spike in cases is more than any week since April on Martha's Vineyard
    • Health officials note it's still too early to know whether the hundreds of guests and workers at the maskless parties have contributed to the surge in cases
    • 'At this time we're not aware of any cases connected to the Obama party,' a Tisbury health agent and boards of health spokesperson told DailyMail.com
    • 'It's a little too early and the only way we're going to know is through comprehensive contact tracing,' they added
    • Hundreds of people attended the party, flying in from around the country and congregating under tents where partiers danced, ate and drank the night away
     
    #569     Aug 13, 2021
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  10. I did watch the video base rate fallacy-thanks @wrbtrader

    Now i magnified my previous charts,Israel vaccinated rate stays nearly the same and cases are rising by a lot [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]

    Isn't this telling us that something else is in play,not just base rate fallacy?


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    #570     Aug 14, 2021