Why the hell would you call me out when everything you said has been wrong, at least on this topic? 1. No one, I know personally, has tested positive for Covid. I ceased posting because I found it annoying to having to keep correcting the same moronic statements from you GWB and the Bugenliar. 2. Canada has come out of lockdown and Covid infections are exploding per Worldometer. I warned you that would happen. You were so dumb thinking Canada or any lockdown state with internal and external travel could hide from Covid. It is a virus you morons. The harder you lock down the the harder it comes back when you open up to travel and business. Deaths are also going up in Canada ... because morons in the low risk group did not go to the beach and get Vitamin D and work masks... Remember you called me selfish you idiot. It turns even Fauci now knows Vitamin D is key for prevention. 3. As I told morons like you, GWB and Bugenmoron.... The low risk group almost has to get infected at some point...(absent a successful vaccination program. When approximately 20 to 30 percent of your low risk group becomes exposed to the virus... . You start to see the virus decline.. The combination of antibody immunity, T cell immunity and those who just don't get sick or don't spread it.... starts to protect the rest. Your low risk group is your key long term safety. Sweden now proves this thesis which I supported back in back in March. Sweden now has less than one death a day For Bugenmoron who steals the media's argument that Sweden succeeded because they trusted their govt. Yeah they did. They trusted their govt to not not lock down and not wear masks. Fucking idiots... you all are. Many of us trusted that our govt was wrong. We knew that healthy people were not getting very sick.. We knew the virus is not spread asymptomatically in any sort of quantity. We knew the virus was not getting spread though the air. This virus was about droplets and dirty masks and surfaces. masks were fucking stupid... then and still are. there is no evidence they protect by themselves. its not airborne you idiots. if you are not working with sick people you should not wear. Ask Anders Tegnall. His country has beat this virus down without them. Once.. the locked down the old folks. Natural Herd Immunity... 4. Natural herd immunity is seen emerging from the data all over. Look at the infection curves they are the same in every open location all over the world. Quick spike and then an orderly decline. . Around the 20 to 30 percent of the low risk group needs to be exposed to the infection. Then the virus begins to have a much harder time spreading. For morons like GWB... go back and read the studies on this thread. I told you that the studies have shown natural herd immunity comes in at much lower levels than vaccine immunity because natural herd immunity does not infect randomly. Vaccines (per the math based on the spread rate) need 70 to 90 percent coverage. Naturally immunity comes in at much lower levels per the math and the studies becuause... A virus naturally takes out the most susceptible and the those with the largest networks first. Those people either die or become immune. Each "round" of this makes it harder for the virus to spread. Some studies estimate we begin to see herd immunity at about 20 to 30 percent infected. This makes particular sense if you let the low risk out and keep the high risk isolated. The low risk... tend to not spread as much, for a shorter time and at much lower loads. In fact asymptomatics may not spread the virus at all. (per the complete lack of data on this subject. ) 5. Hence, lockdowns of the low risk are dumb. Lockdowns cause some of the healthy to lose some of their antibodies.... which is really stupid.If you want to protect the high risk. Isolate them and let the low risk become immune. 6. However for the high risk... this is a dangerous disease. That is another reason why wearing masks is dangerous. Tegnall told us there is not evidence masks alone work. They are dangerous because the high risk think they are protective. They take risks with family member and then they die. Again... masks don't work... 6. CDC just had to admit there is no evidence of transmission through the air. No evidence of aerosol spread. Which is what I told morons like you and GWB and bugenwrongen months ago. The WHO had it correct. Think about what a moron nine morons is when he told me I was dangerous for going to the beach and being against masks. Nobody gets Covid at the beach. And the Vitamin D you get... is very important in prevention. You could not have been a bigger moron or a bigger dick for wish the virus on me nine morons. You were so dumb... you are one of the reasons I stopped posting. I could not believe I had tell you how dumb you and GWB were so often. 7. There is also very little direct evidence of asymptomatic spread. Even though the the media has been touting a few studies finding astymptomatics have the virus in their nose. (of course they do that is how we know their are asymptomatic but positive. ) So think about this. No aerosol / air transmission. No evidence of asymptomatic transmission No evidence mask by themselves do anything. Dirty mask are dangerous and fake out the high risk. Summary.. Sweden got to at least partial herd immunity. They now have less than one Covid death a day and empty ICU. They will get blips up in virus. But as long as they don't lose their immunity by going into lockdown... They are done with dying from Covid. Canada and all the moron lefty paradises who locked down... Will now experience this like every other place with movement and open borders. You can't hide from this virus. You need you low risk to get herd immunity or you need a vaccine. You...and all the lefty dumbfucks on this cite are brain dead fools... for not seeing the patterns i the data. The curve goes up... then it goes down. Lockdowns only shift the infections... they don't make it go away.
P.S. Maybe I will start posting again if a new justice gets approved. Trump will have far surpassed the main reason to have not been a Rino and voted for him. .
Looks like you win today's award for the most incorrect and nonfactual information packed into a single post. Welcome back.
I wish Baron posted a list here at the forum that list all the banned user names, date / month / year and a 1 - 2 sentence reason for the Ban. I bet most will be for multiple user name violation. wrbtrader
Wow, you just seem insane at this point. Maybe stay off I stopped reading at the above point because it was so wrong it needed addressing. Canada's Covid experience remains better then the US experience on every level and data point. Infections and deaths are not "exploding" at all. Every second wave will result in some increase in cases and deaths. We work from a much lower base because we have dealt with Covid far better then you have. And morons like you needed their time at the beach, at soccer practice, or in crowded restaurants. Let's look at California's numbers from yesterday versus the "explosion" in Canada ( population base is almost the same ) : California New Infections 4078, Deaths 133 Canada 1362 Deaths 6 If we are having an "explosion", what should we call your experience ? Deaths in California are running higher by a factor of roughly 20 pro rated. Perhaps you should at least wait until we can match California before you call it an explosion. If that day ever comes. In the meantime, you can move to Sweden if you like. But is Canada really a "lefty paradise" compared to Sweden or California ? Seems doubtful.
So much for morons on this site... who were claiming there is no such thing as herd immunity --- Thousands of Scientists and Doctors state Herd Immunity is the policy we need to follow... in part it is the most compassionate overall. https://gbdeclaration.org/ Signed by Medical & Public Health Scientists 3,298 Medical Practitioners 5,049 General Public 76,537 The Great Barrington Declaration As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection. Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice. Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed. Fortunately, our understanding of the virus is growing. We know that vulnerability to death from COVID-19 is more than a thousand-fold higher in the old and infirm than the young. Indeed, for children, COVID-19 is less dangerous than many other harms, including influenza. As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e. the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity. The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk. We call this Focused Protection. Adopting measures to protect the vulnerable should be the central aim of public health responses to COVID-19. By way of example, nursing homes should use staff with acquired immunity and perform frequent PCR testing of other staff and all visitors. Staff rotation should be minimized. Retired people living at home should have groceries and other essentials delivered to their home. When possible, they should meet family members outside rather than inside. A comprehensive and detailed list of measures, including approaches to multi-generational households, can be implemented, and is well within the scope and capability of public health professionals. Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal. Simple hygiene measures, such as hand washing and staying home when sick should be practiced by everyone to reduce the herd immunity threshold. Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sport and other cultural activities should resume. People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity. On October 4, 2020, this declaration was authored and signed in Great Barrington, United States, by: Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring of infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations. Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases. Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations. SIGN THE DECLARATION Co-signers Medical and Public Health Scientists and Medical Practitioners Prof. Sucharit Bhakdi, em. Professor of Medical Microbiology, University of Mainz, Germany Dr. Rajiv Bhatia, MD, MPH, Physician with the VA, epidemiology, health equity practice, and health impact assessment of public policy, USA Prof. Stephen Bremner, Professor of Medical Statistics, Brighton and Sussex Medical School, University of Sussex, UK Prof. Anthony J Brookes, Department of Genetics & Genome Biology, University of Leicester, UK Dr. Helen Colhoun, professor of medical informatics and epidemiology, and public health physician, with expertise in risk prediction, University of Edinburgh, UK Prof. Angus Dalgleish, MD, FRCP, FRACP, FRCPath, FMedSci, Department of Oncology, St. George’s, University of London, UK Dr. Sylvia Fogel, autism expert and psychiatrist at Massachusetts General Hospital and instructor at Harvard Medical School, USA. Dr. Eitan Friedman, MD, PhD. Founder and Director, The Susanne Levy Gertner Oncogenetics Unit, The Danek Gertner Institute of Human Genetics, Chaim Sheba Medical Center and Professor of Medicine, Department of Internal Medicine and Depertment of Human Genetics and Biochemistry, Tel-Aviv University, Israel Dr. Uri Gavish, an expert in algorithm analysis and a biomedical consultant Prof. Motti Gerlic, Department of Clinical Microbiology and Immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel Dr. Gabriela Gomes, professor, a mathematician focussing on population dynamics, evolutionary theory and infectious disease epidemiology. University of Strathclyde, Glasgow, UK Prof. Mike Hulme, professor of human geography, University of Cambridge, UK Dr. Michael Jackson, PhD is an ecologist and research fellow at the University of Canterbury, New Zealand. Dr. David Katz, MD, MPH, President, True Health Initiative and the Founder and Former Director of the Yale University Prevention Research Center, USA Dr. Andrius Kavaliunas, epidemiologist and assistant professor at Karolinska Institute, Sweden Dr. Laura Lazzeroni, PhD., biostatistician and data scientist, professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences and of biomedical data science. Stanford University Medical School, USA Dr. Michael Levitt, PhD is a biophysicist and a professor of structural biology. Dr. Levitt received the 2013 Nobel Prize in Chemistry for the development of multiscale models for complex chemical systems. Stanford University, USA Prof. David Livermore, Professor, microbiologist with expertise in disease epidemiology, antibiotic resistance and rapid diagnostics. University of East Anglia, UK Dr. Jonas Ludvigsson, pediatrician, epidemiologist and professor at Karolinska Institute and senior physician at Örebro University Hospital, Sweden. Dr. Paul McKeigue, professor of epidemiology and public health physician, with expertise in statistical modelling of disease. University of Edinburgh, UK Dr. Cody Meissner, professor of pediatrics, expert on vaccine development, efficacy and safety. Tufts University School of Medicine, USA Prof. Ariel Munitz, Department of Clinical Microbiology and Immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel Prof. Yaz Gulnur Muradoglu, Professor of Finance, Director at Behavioural Finance Working Group, School of Business and Management, Queen Mary University of London, UK Prof. Partha P. 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