The Great Ethanol Scam

Discussion in 'Economics' started by jficquette, May 17, 2009.

  1. "First, the primary job of the Environmental Protection Agency is, dare it be said, to protect our environment. Yet using ethanol actually creates more smog than using regular gas, and the EPA's own attorneys had to admit that fact in front of the justices presiding over the Third Circuit Court of Appeals in 1995 (API v. EPA).

    Second, truly independent studies on ethanol, such as those written by Tad Patzek of Berkeley and David Pimentel of Cornell, show that ethanol is a net energy loser. Other studies suggest there is a small net energy gain from it.

    Third, all fuels laced with ethanol reduce the vehicle's fuel efficiency, and the E85 blend drops gas mileage between 30% and 40%, depending on whether you use the EPA's fuel mileage standards ( or those of the Dept. of Energy.

    Fourth, forget what biofuels have done to the price of foodstuffs worldwide over the past three years; the science seems to suggest that using ethanol increases global warming emissions over the use of straight gasoline. Just these issues should have kept ethanol from being brought back for its fourth run in American history.

    Don't let anybody mislead you: The new push to get a 15% ethanol mandate out of Washington is simply to restore profitability to a failed industry. Only this time around those promoting more ethanol in our gas say there's no scientific proof that adding more ethanol will damage vehicles or small gas-powered engines. With that statement they've gone from shilling the public to outright falsehoods, because ethanol-laced gasoline is already destroying engines across the country in ever larger numbers."
  2. Again, it's all about lobby power. If the group has the funds and is able to pay off Congressional members that have enough clout, they can get the next ethanol scam legislation passed no problem. It's the American way.
    Regardless of the facts on ethanol's lack of suitability, the major crime is the use of vital farm land to grow corn that is placed in gas tanks, rather than stomachs.

  3. The problem is the damage it does to cars. This is the first that I had heard of that.
  4. This topic has always been so funny to me. The environmentalists are dumber than a bag of hammers on biofuels, they just don't get it.

    Simple fact. We decide to make ethanol a requirement, corn and sugar prices rise. South American farmers notice the lucrative price of these and start clearcutting the rainforests at an accelrated pace to plant more commodity. Now we have higher CO2 levels from deforestation and to make matters worse, it's the same rainforests these retards have been trying to save!!!

    Hey, I truly am all for the environment, but in general:

  5. Bob111


    it's was obvious from very least to me.. use syntetic oil..

    first link from top on google-

    LP or diesel is way to go..not some BS ethanol or hybrids..and progressive taxation based on engine size..just to remove those mosters off the road..
    some of them so huge-they not even fit..
    there is another group never been mentioned for some reason and they contribute to "global warming" waaay more than cars- the meat and diary producers..
  6. tr51


    you don't have a clue. Pure Ethanol has been used in cars in Brazil for thirty plus years and they are still on the road.

    If you had visited Sao Paulo in the seventies (when it had a fraction of todays vehicles) and again today you would not be taken in by the propaganda from big oil.

    Food inflation due to the US Ethanol industry and the cutting of the amazon due to increased planting of sugar cane is another great myth.
  7. Really? Go look at south american crop production over the last decade and tell me that is a myth. The last couple of years have sky-rocketed.
  8. tr51


    .....and have you been there? have you ever seen bean, corn, sugar fields in Brazil or Paraguay or Argentina? Have you ever traded S American cash beans, meal, sugar, corn etc.? Do you have any idea where the real bean or sugar expansion is in Brazil or neighboring countries? what do you think drives soybean or China? What do you think drives YC expansion in the US..... demand for fuel or worldwide animal feed? at $5 dollar corn...will the world grow more food or less food? at $5 dollar corn, how much more does your pound of chicken or beef or pork cost as opposed to $3 dollar corn. eliminate corn Ethanol and take oil to $150 a much will it cost to produce a bushel of corn. At $150 oil or $3 corn, what countries will stop producing what little corn they still produce? where you around when South Africa, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Zambia etc where huge exporters of corn? Why do you think they stopped and for the most part are now starving and importers.
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    #10     May 17, 2009