The 'George Soros' Position Sizing method

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by Daal, Aug 10, 2008.

  1. Wasn't he referring to the responsibility of managing money as being stressful?

    He's old school, today's managers are way too gung-ho with client funds, big gambles pay them big commissions, big losses just mean a lost client, no big deal to them.
     
    #31     Aug 11, 2008
  2. Very good point and it would certainly make sense.
     
    #32     Aug 11, 2008
  3. If you're talking about an automated trading system, fine, use a mathematical money management. If it's discretionary and being traded by a human, to assume someone will follow a potentially very painful mathematical money management model without letting drawdowns affect their trading decisions- now that is foolish.
     
    #33     Aug 12, 2008
  4. Daal

    Daal

    foolish is to assume your psychology is static and cant get any better. I see plenty of folks carry these excuses to undertrade all their life(and devoting tons of time to technicalities) instead of being honest with themselves and admit that they need more balls/stomach and then going to work on it
     
    #34     Aug 12, 2008
  5. It may be undertrading (or underleveraging/deleveraging) to you, but to those of us cautious with our own (and other people's) money it's called being sensible.

    Trading isn't a race or a competition to see who can make the most money the fastest or who has the biggest kahoonas, slow but sure with a smooth equity curve is the goal. If you need to test your balls/stomach then take a trip up to the top of Harakiri in the Austrian Alps, that sucker's a 78% descent!

    It might be interesting to see a Sharpe ratio for a Soros-type trader/manager and a Daal-type trader.
     
    #35     Aug 12, 2008
  6. Daal

    Daal

    That is like saying 'I'm the tennis player no150 in the world, why would I want in the top 10?what all about that psychological pressure, the additional traning you will need, all the interviews. yeah you will make way more money but is it really worth it?I rather stick around here what I belong and have a smooth equity curve, my professional life is not about balls and getting better. I bet have a much lower volatility in earnings than federer, I mean the guy makes half a million in one week then makes 10K the next, I will take a smooth 30K anyday'
    if thats your choice then ok. and Im not talking about being reckless, you look back what I said about 75% drawdowns not being prudent, thats not even close to recklessness
     
    #36     Aug 12, 2008
  7. But that is a competition, trading isn't, well it isn't for me anyway. I'm not striving to be No1, all I want to do is minimize my risk and produce a realistic return for the risk I'm taking.

    Like I said, whatever the trader (and/or client) feels comfortable with is usually the most productive. Too much pressure negatively affects performance if we're unable to cope with it. Different people have different thresholds, we can't all be No1.
     
    #37     Aug 12, 2008