The Gazillion dollar standoff over two HFT towers

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by Clubber Lang, Mar 9, 2019.

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  2. ZBZB


    Released on March 15th though not sure how many cinemas it is in.
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  3. Is this also what Medallion and Jim Simons does?
  4. sle


    No. He does larger capacity stuff.

    How is it front running? Nothing prevents you or anyone else from spending money, getting colocated, receiving a microwave feed etc - i.e. getting in the same game.
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  5. Whether or not I can personally afford it doesn’t change the fact that some people are paying to GET IN FRONT OF ORDERS.

    What’s the difference between paying to get in front of orders and making risk free pennies a few million times a day every day the market is open, and paying to get in front of a buyout and making a risk free 100MM?

    Both are illegal. However one is allowed because the exchanges are making a fortune off the fees
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  6. sle


    LOL indeed. Here is the actual definition of front running:
    Note the bolded - that's a key aspect of front-running, also known as "non-public material information". In case of HFT, you just need to invest a few dollars to get there, which by definition makes it public.
  7. Haha ok.
    Well played sir!
  8. sle


    This is not to say that there is issues with how HFTs integrate into the modern markets. IMHO, these problems are largely due to incentives/structure dictated by the exchanges and regulators.
  9. Completely agree.
    I think many issues have been ignored/overlooked because of a relentless 10 year bull market which coincided with the rise of HFT.
    Will be interesting to see what happens with HFT rules etc when we finally have a bear.
  10. MrMuppet


    I don't know guys. I mean, some ET'ers probably were trading on the floor. If you just asked them, I think they all traded on information not accessible to the public.

    Restroom deals or hell, just being able to see the broker who is acting different when he has a big order to execute.... it even was allowed for some time to buy some contracts for yourself together with the clients order (which still was common practise in the FX markets for a long time).

    But then, as sle said, you could have just bought a seat and enjoy the same benefits.

    HFT are doing the exact same thing, just with a computer.

    IMO the closest to level playing field was 2000-2008 when a TT X_Trader cost you 1500.- + dedicated line to the exchange for approx. the same money.

    So it's not frontrunning, it's just business. Trading upstairs is ridiculously hard because you don't enjoy execution edge...that's why everybody wants execution edge and pays a lot of money to get it.
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