The game behind BOJ intervention, USD vs JPY

Discussion in 'Forex' started by tsfx, Oct 17, 2023.

  1. tsfx

    tsfx

    #21     Oct 26, 2023
  2. pinetboltz

    pinetboltz

    lol that lil move earlier was all bark no bite...are they running out of money to strongarm the markets or what

    i think BofA got a point when they revised the ceiling upwards to 155, the markets seem to be calling out their bluff at 150
     
    #22     Oct 26, 2023
  3. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    IMO markets are no longer as infatuated with the Yen and its doings.

    Euro (and ECB) is and has been the big dog for the last decade - at least.
     
    #23     Oct 26, 2023
  4. tsfx

    tsfx

    Intervention by BOJ (if it indeed happens) just causes temporary spikes that are bought into immediately (or bids/asks reprice immediately back up).

    Here's an USDJPY chart how intervention "worked" the last time for BOJ. 3 interventions, every time price traded back. Then, BOJ changes policy and starts massive money printing which had a lasting devaluing effect on currency. In total, it took almost 2 years. The intervention goals are a lot different than is widely thought. Why didn't BOJ engage in monetary policy shift right away? Why bother with interventions that never work? Those are the real questions :)

    BOJ intervention.png
     
    #24     Oct 26, 2023
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  5. tsfx

    tsfx

    I think it's quite the opposite. Everything is about yield atm and thus about the JPY because JPY is a proxy for yield. US10y trading above 5% is a milestone and JPY trading near decade highs against several pairs which is something not seen in a long time. This attracts a lot of attention since this IS a long term oppportunity.

    It's also important because it's the shift in JPY and yields and USD that will prevent a deep one sided crisis in the stock market (again).

    EUR and USD are the top dogs anyway, all the time. There's also a "once in a life time" opportunity in the EUR as well ;)
     
    #25     Oct 26, 2023
  6. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    From Thursday:-

    (Reuters)

    ! Yen.png
     
    #26     Oct 29, 2023
  7. tsfx

    tsfx


    Yeah, interesting how this article is written b/c actually vola spiked pretty strongly with that "break" above 150. Look at the last bounce above 9% from low 8s. Actual market is not at all this volatile so you know there are tons of option buyers and volatility prayers out there. Which is why it's difficult to get a straight up vola boost or direction in UJ.
     
    #27     Oct 30, 2023
  8. tsfx

    tsfx

    Those stops going out all the way.
     
    #28     Oct 31, 2023
  9. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    (Bloomberg)

    BoJ tweak
    The Bank of Japan has further loosened its grip on government bond yields while also sticking to its position as the final global central bank with negative rates. It said it would take a more flexible approach on controlling bond yields, though the relatively minor tweaks to its policy disappointed some investors and sent the yen lower. “We decided that it’s appropriate to increase flexibility so that long-term yields can be smoothly shaped, according to different future scenarios,” said Governor Kazuo Ueda.
     
    #29     Oct 31, 2023
  10. tsfx

    tsfx

    yeah, market just taking out all the weak hands hoping for free money from the BOJ. Once the stops are out, THEN we can talk about intervention.
     
    #30     Oct 31, 2023