The fraud that is modern science

Discussion in 'Politics' started by wilburbear, Oct 13, 2010.

  1. Every single thing you wrote was wrong. Here's some starter reading: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-gc.html
     
    #11     Oct 14, 2010
  2. What the APS said:

    APS Comments on Harold Lewis’ Resignation of his Society Membership

    WASHINGTON, D.C. — In a recent letter to the American Physical Society (APS) President Curtis A. Callan, chair of the Princeton University Physics Department, Harold Lewis, emeritus physics professor at the University of California, Santa Barbara, announced that he was resigning his APS membership.

    In response to numerous accusations in the letter, APS issues the following statement:

    There is no truth to Dr. Lewis’ assertion that APS policy statements are driven by financial gain. To the contrary, as a membership organization of more than 48,000 physicists, APS adheres to rigorous ethical standards in developing its statements. The Society is open to review of its statements if members petition the APS Council – the Society’s democratically elected governing body – to do so.

    Dr. Lewis’ specific charge that APS as an organization is benefitting financially from climate change funding is equally false. Neither the operating officers nor the elected leaders of the Society have a monetary stake in such funding. Moreover, relatively few APS members conduct climate change research, and therefore the vast majority of the Society’s members derive no personal benefit from such research support.

    On the matter of global climate change, APS notes that virtually all reputable scientists agree with the following observations:

    * Carbon dioxide is increasing in the atmosphere due to human activity;
    * Carbon dioxide is an excellent infrared absorber, and therefore, its increasing presence in the atmosphere contributes to global warming; and
    * The dwell time of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is hundreds of years.

    On these matters, APS judges the science to be quite clear. However, APS continues to recognize that climate models are far from adequate, and the extent of global warming and climatic disruptions produced by sustained increases in atmospheric carbon loading remain uncertain. In light of the significant settled aspects of the science, APS totally rejects Dr. Lewis’ claim that global warming is a “scam” and a “pseudoscientific fraud.”

    Additionally, APS notes that it has taken extraordinary steps to solicit opinions from its membership on climate change. After receiving significant commentary from APS members, the Society’s Panel on Public Affairs finalized an addendum to the APS climate change statement reaffirming the significance of the issue. The APS Council overwhelmingly endorsed the reaffirmation.

    Lastly, in response to widespread interest expressed by its members, the APS is in the process of organizing a Topical Group to feature forefront research and to encourage exchange of information on the physics of climate.

    http://www.aps.org/about/pressreleases/haroldlewis.cfm
     
    #12     Oct 14, 2010
  3. Arnie

    Arnie

    Wow, talking out both ends. The science is clear, "However, APS continues to recognize that climate models are far from adequate, and the extent of global warming and climatic disruptions produced by sustained increases in atmospheric carbon loading remain uncertain"

    And this gem......"Moreover, relatively few APS members conduct climate change research...."

    dc, I respect your view as you are one of the more intelligent posters on this subject, even though we disagree, but the more I study this issue, the more questions I have. In my view, very little is settled.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming
     
    #13     Oct 14, 2010
  4. Mnphats

    Mnphats


    One of the most ignorant posts I have read in while, no doubt posted by Ricter. Speaking of a stunned goof......
     
    #14     Oct 14, 2010
  5. That's because the APS is physicists.
     
    #15     Oct 14, 2010
  6. Here's a stumper for the AGW deniers here:

    Is this a quote from an APS statement or from somebody else?

    "The GCMs (Global Climate Models) in use nowadays do a pretty good job of calculating the effect of a potential doubling of the carbon dioxide content of the atmosphere, but more research is truly needed... The details of the impending changes of climate are still beyond our grasp, though the broad outline is clear."

    "All models agree that the net effect will be a general and global warming of the earth; they only disagree about how much. None suggest that it will be a minor effect, to be ignored while we go about our business."

    "Yet, despite the complexity, the bottom line is that the earth will be substantially warmed by the accumulation of man-made gases, mainly carbon dioxide, and that warming could conceivably approximate the climate at the time of the dinosaurs. It seems likely, but not certain, that sea level will rise accordingly, conceivably by several feet or more. We are doing this to ourselves."

    ANS: It's a quote from the book "Technological Risk" 1990 by a certain Dr Lewis.
     
    #16     Oct 15, 2010
  7. Your naivete is stunning. The ironic part is that zealotry, groupthink, lies, greed, misrepresentations, exaggerations, etc., by a huge number of bad actors from scientists to Al Gore have overblown this into a hoax, so advocates have in effect shot themselves in the foot.
     
    #17     Oct 15, 2010
  8. Here's a "stumper" for morons like you: What is 2010 - 1990? Answer: 20 years. He no longer drinks the koolaid.
     
    #18     Oct 15, 2010

  9. Has Lewis published any climate related research in those 20 years? ANS: NO.
     
    #19     Oct 15, 2010
  10. Does that make a difference even if it's true? ANS: NO.
     
    #20     Oct 16, 2010