The Fake 60% Approval Rating

Discussion in 'Politics' started by bugscoe, May 11, 2011.

  1. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    Sounds like a good argument to me.
     
    #11     May 12, 2011
  2. Oh good lord.

    If the sample had randomly selected only republicans and the result was a 10% approval, would you make the same argument? Would you also conclude that there are no longer any democrat voters?

    No.

    Get your head in the game!
     
    #12     May 12, 2011
  3. That is not what happened. But, if the sample was truly random, then I would conclude that the results were valid:

    1. O. had a 10% approval.
    2. All eligible voters were Republican.

    Seneca
     
    #13     May 12, 2011
  4. And truly reflective of the national mood, correct?
     
    #14     May 12, 2011
  5. Yes.

    BTW-what is it you don't like about the AP-GfK poll? I hope you are not mixing the observed results vs what you think they ought to be.

    The Gallup poll sheds some more light on the current trend:

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    Republicans have shifted to favor Obama.

    Of course, we Americans are a fickle bunch, and Obama's/Democrats new popularity can change quickly, especially if the economy gets worse.

    Seneca
     
    #15     May 12, 2011
  6. Ricter

    Ricter

    Randomness is not the central issue, though it is important. The representativeness of the sample is being questioned. That's fair, and sampling methodology is well understood. This is where the author needs to work, the assertion "it aint so" is largely baseless at the moment.
     
    #16     May 12, 2011
  7. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    here i a good write up from dick morris. i've omitted most of the opinional commentary and tried to just copy the interesting facts.

     
    #17     May 12, 2011
  8. Ricter

    Ricter

    Hmm, looking at the data since October, it's not quite as "shocking". Still worth looking into.
     
    #18     May 12, 2011
  9. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    as far as i'm concerned, rasmussen is the best in the business.
     
    #19     May 12, 2011
  10. Here is what I see when looking at the AP data re. party ID:

    Oct 2010: 48% Republican
    42% Democrat

    May 2011: 29% Rep.
    46% Dem.

    So, AP is noting a down trend in the people who say they are Republican.

    Other polls have it closer to an even split, but trending in the Dems. favor. EG: Reuters/IPSOS has it 44% Dem./ 40% Rep.



    http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com/pdf/AP-GfK_Poll_May_Topline_051011_POLITICS.pdf

    Seneca
     
    #20     May 12, 2011