The End of (the catholic) Church

Discussion in 'Religion and Spirituality' started by Free Thinker, Feb 21, 2012.

  1. I'd just like to point out that the fossil record shows both the number of species and the complexity of those species decrease as we go back in time, with the earliest fossils being bacteria. Logic points toward a very simple organism like bacteria as our common ancestor.

    Now perhaps one can say God made the bacteria but that seems like a last-gasp attempt to involve him in the process at all.


    Lastly, there are numerous very plausible theories as to how abiogenesis occurred, and several lab experiments where the complex organic molecules needed were created under the conditions that would have occurred in the early years of earth. Scientists are getting very close to creating life in the lab.


    Humans are a result of the flowering of the universe now having become self-aware.
     
    #71     Feb 23, 2012

  2. "I wonder if it bothers the religious that atheists have brilliant physicists, biologists, mathematicians arguing for the atheist side, while they have, really, no one of credible intelligence."
     
    #72     Feb 23, 2012
  3. You do realize your post assumes that time isn't also physical?
    It is, you know.
     
    #73     Feb 23, 2012
  4. How does my post assume that? And so what?
     
    #74     Feb 23, 2012
  5. Look at the first sentence of your post.
    As for the so what, why would a non-time constrained entity care about time?
     
    #75     Feb 23, 2012
  6. OK I get it. Your "entity" is natural processes that took some 3.5 billion years to cook us up. Yes God is Nature.
     
    #76     Feb 23, 2012
  7. "took some 3.5 billion years" - You still care what time it is.
    Get rid of the idea that time counts.
    Your last sentence is a symptom of your incomprehension.
     
    #77     Feb 23, 2012
  8. You've lost me. Time does count.
    Time is real and is needed for evolutionary processes.
     
    #78     Feb 23, 2012
  9. I didn't dispute that it's real. It's physical, a measurement of the decay of the Universe. The arrow of time always points towards greater entropy.
    An eternal being would obviously not be in a state of decay. That would be a contradiction.
     
    #79     Feb 23, 2012
  10. stu

    stu

    Not obvious, not really.
    Why would eternal + decay (ie: gradual decrease/death/whatever) be a contradiction? As a catholic you do resurrection don't you? :)

    An actual universe that evolves from low entropy to high to low .... a cyclic universe expanding and contracting indefinitely, isn't a contradiction.
    A supposed eternal being only said not to be in a state of decay, when every being is observed to be in a state of decay, certainly suggests a contradiction.
     
    #80     Feb 24, 2012