The End of (the catholic) Church

Discussion in 'Religion and Spirituality' started by Free Thinker, Feb 21, 2012.

  1. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    Science is evidence-based. Faith, by definition, is belief without evidence. So science is emphatically not based on faith.
     
    #101     Feb 24, 2012
  2. Brass

    Brass

    Depends on purpose. If you want facts, then don't dismiss them or your rational brain. If you want solace, then pray to whomever makes you feel warm all over.
     
    #102     Feb 24, 2012
  3. Ricter

    Ricter

    And you can only surmise the "banana peel" is there, you can't look far enough down to actually see it.
     
    #103     Feb 24, 2012
  4. Banjo

    Banjo

  5. Ricter

    Ricter

    What is, and what is not, evidence, is a manmade choice. The choice is made based on values.
     
    #105     Feb 24, 2012
  6. Brass

    Brass

    Yes, but I think Ricter may be implying, among other things, that our understanding of science is based on our faith in our ability to reason. A bit of sophistry from an otherwise very bright fellow.
     
    #106     Feb 24, 2012
  7. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    Like Brass said, this is sophistry. Give an example where science has ignored relevant evidence because of some "value" judgement. Not some individual scientist who made bad choices based on some personal flaw, but the scientific community as a whole.
     
    #107     Feb 24, 2012
  8. Ricter

    Ricter

    First, let's agree on a definition of evidence, shall we?
     
    #108     Feb 24, 2012
  9. The only actual universe we have is moving gradually towards a state of entropy. Time is a byproduct of that movement.
    To reverse the movement towards entropy is to reverse the arrow of time.
    If you're thinking about someone outside of this universe, that someone by definition is not constrained by time, because time only exists as a function of the physical reality of this universe.
     
    #109     Feb 24, 2012
  10. Brass

    Brass

    Russian nesting dolls, anyone?
     
    #110     Feb 24, 2012