The End of Christian America

andrasnm · Apr 5, 2009

There is logical problem with a few of the Christian beliefs and this fallacy is coming home to roost.
First off, I am not an atheist but believing the "deity" of Jesus is plain silly. It is egotistical to say Jesus was a god and Moses was just a peasant or Buddha was a fortune cookie maker. Fucking illogical and dumb.
There is a good reason for the disdain towards those who are so called "Christians" and it is not a witch hunt. These people and their ilk perpetrated crimes and the horrors of the dark ages...they want to meddle, convert and change people who actually KNOW BETTER, you cannot humanize or personalize god...

Quote from hughb:

I was raised in the Appalachian mountains of southeatern Kentucky, the buckle of the Bible belt. As a child I was in church every Sunday morning, a Baptist church of course, like it or not.

There were no political affiliations on display there. The people in those pews were believers in the diety of Jesus Christ and they genuinely wanted people to repent and accept Jesus, not so that a political party could hold on to power, but to save your eternal soul.

I don't believe in the diety of any of the characters in the Holy Bible and haven't since I was a young man. However, when people ask me if I'm a Christian I usually reply that I am, and that I'm a Baptist. I do that for two reasons - First I claim it as a sort-of-ethnicity, because of the prevalence of Christianity where I was raised. And secondly, just to yank their chain because it is very politically incorrect to be Christian now, especially a baptist.

The Christians where I am from don't have issues like the Republican party or gay marriage on the front burner. The so called Christians you see on your televsion or read about in your blogs do, and they shape the country's perception of Christianity.
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MaklodaSux · Apr 5, 2009

What are you trying to prove? ...that you're just a dumbshit and everyone should follow your jacked up ways? Get real.

If you're going to bash something at least learn about it first. You act like all Christians live in the stone age.

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

If Christian Americans (especially the right wing evangelical type) would actually follow the message and teachings of Jesus Christ, if they would practice instead of preaching, instead of sinning like the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah and chasing materialism...then smugly claiming they are saved and then are seen spending time trying to tell others what to do and how to live their lives, maybe Christianity would be thriving in America...

It is the INOC like you (in name only Christians) that have devalued the ideals of Christianity...the Christians are to blame for the decline of Christianity, not the non Christians.

The children of Christians look the the lives of their parents, and see the hypocrisy on display and are smart enough to reject that hypocrisy...
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Free Thinker · Apr 5, 2009

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The End Christian America

The percentage of self-identified Christians has fallen 10 points in the past two decades. How that statistic explains who we are nowâand what, as a nation, we are about to become.

By Jon Meacham
Published Apr 4, 2009
From the magazine issue dated Apr 13, 2009

It was a small detail, a point of comparison buried in the fifth paragraph on the 17th page of a 24-page summary of the 2009 American Religious Identification Survey. But as R. Albert Mohler Jr.âpresident of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, one of the largest on earthâread over the document after its release in March, he was struck by a single sentence. For a believer like Mohlerâa starched, unflinchingly conservative Christian, steeped in the theology of his particular province of the faith, devoted to producing ministers who will preach the inerrancy of the Bible and the Gospel of Jesus Christ as the only means to eternal lifeâthe central news of the survey was troubling enough: the number of Americans who claim no religious affiliation has nearly doubled since 1990, rising from 8 to 15 percent. Then came the point he could not get out of his mind: while the unaffiliated have historically been concentrated in the Pacific Northwest, the report said, "this pattern has now changed, and the Northeast emerged in 2008 as the new stronghold of the religiously unidentified." As Mohler saw it, the historic foundation of America's religious culture was cracking.

"That really hit me hard," he told me last week. "The Northwest was never as religious, never as congregationalized, as the Northeast, which was the foundation, the home base, of American religion. To lose New England struck me as momentous." Turning the report over in his mind, Mohler posted a despairing online column on the eve of Holy Week lamenting the declineâand, by implication, the imminent fallâof an America shaped and suffused by Christianity. "A remarkable culture-shift has taken place around us," Mohler wrote. "The most basic contours of American culture have been radically altered. The so-called Judeo-Christian consensus of the last millennium has given way to a post-modern, post-Christian, post-Western cultural crisis which threatens the very heart of our culture." When Mohler and I spoke in the days after he wrote this, he had grown even gloomier. "Clearly, there is a new narrative, a post-Christian narrative, that is animating large portions of this society," he said from his office on campus in Louisville, Ky.

There it was, an old term with new urgency: post-Christian. This is not to say that the Christian God is dead, but that he is less of a force in American politics and culture than at any other time in recent memory. To the surprise of liberals who fear the advent of an evangelical theocracy and to the dismay of religious conservatives who long to see their faith more fully expressed in public life, Christians are now making up a declining percentage of the American population.

Continued here: http://www.newsweek.com/id/192583
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it is getting harder and harder to convince educated people that there was once a talking snake.

Free Thinker · Apr 5, 2009

Quote from MaklodaSux:

What are you trying to prove? ...that you're just a dumbshit and everyone should follow your jacked up ways? Get real.

If you're going to bash something at least learn about it first. You act like all Christians live in the stone age.
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if your guide in life is a stone age book of mythical tales you do live in the stone age mentally.

FanOfFridays · Apr 5, 2009

Quote from vhehn:

it is getting harder and harder to convince educated people that there was once a talking snake.
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Well said!

misterno · Apr 5, 2009

Quote from traderNik:

Well said!
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I am not understandnig, what is the talking snake?

I am dying to learn

smilingsynic · Apr 5, 2009

Quote from Mercor:

As Christians decrease the void is filled by vermin like Optional777.
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Let me guess--you are a Christian, right?

smilingsynic · Apr 5, 2009

Quote from misterno:

I am not understandnig, what is the talking snake?

I am dying to learn
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The serpent that talked to Eve, who then convinced Adam to eat the forbidden fruit.

Thunderdog · Apr 5, 2009

Quote from misterno:

I am not understandnig, what is the talking snake?

I am dying to learn
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I thought you said you were Muslim.

http://books.google.com/books?id=is...=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6#PPA11,M1

NeoRio1 · Apr 5, 2009

The fact of the matter is that both believers and non-believers are wrong. When neither side is based on facts then neither side can be correct. Put simply no one truly knows whether there is a god or not.

The reason people believe in god is because they can't accept the reality of death. The reality of death is that you cease to exist. Your mothers and fathers are not in heaven. They are dust and bones. They are nothing. Everyone else will soon be nothing- That is why people believe in god.

The reason people firmly don't believe in a god is because they consider life so bad that there can't possibly be a god.

For the Christians. Do you truly think there is some magical thing called a soul that survives after you're considered brain dead?

For the non-believers. Where the hell did this universe come from?

Both sides are wrong.