My facts are facts...nothing emotional about it and I'm clueless to the emotional state of those particular parents and I'm clueless about the emotional state of the Pediatric hospitals that sent their data to the NIH, CDC and any other government public health agency. They are the facts...no debates no matter how hard you want to not believe them to be "devoid of facts". You probably didn't bother to view the graphs with statistics nor view the individual stories as people that are not anonymous posting online...I'm OK with that because it's the norm by Covidiots. With that said, we're now traversing from a Pandemic into an Endemic...schools are in fact OPEN in Illinois, South Dakota, Arizona, Kentucky (location of my U.S. relatives with children) and here in Canada. My teenagers did very well in this Pandemic and they've only had one interruption (one week of online schooling) this academic year since school started in August of 2021 in comparison they were primarily online for the academic year for 2020. No interruption in their social life nor their outdoor sports except in the school year of 2020. Heck, not even the misguided Freedom Convoy was able to disrupt the Winter Carnival celebration here that my teenagers went to on 4 consecutive days with their friends when in the past prior to the Pandemic they only went about 2x. Mandates are removed and restrictions have been eased or removed in most locations. Rightfully so because Covid numbers are dramatically declining although those with mental illness are still struggling (statistics posted in another thread). Regardless, children and teenagers did much better in the Pandemic than adults and I have data (facts) for that too already posted in another thread...nothing emotional about it. As a Parent, I'm fortunate that my teenagers did not get Covid. They are fully vaccinated and they religiously wear their N95s when indoors and at school. Today, face mask wear is "optional" (I think as of March 14th) and my kids still wear their N95s because they know for a fact that there are some kids at their school...with parents that are Covidiots. P.S. My message post contained graphs with statistics of Pediatric Deaths and verified real stories of children with Long Covid. I did not include anything about FLU nor Drowning because it's a dimwit comparison. Yet, in a message post last year...I did post images and statistics of the 1918 Influenza Pandemic in comparison to the 2020 Covid Pandemic...mostly from the viewpoint of military families. Simply, I prefer to compare Pandemic to Pandemic...not Pandemic to Drowings. wrbtrader
My unvax'd son got COVID. Had the sniffles for two days. Hasn't worn a mask for the better part of a year. I look at data. Have a great day.
Parent to Parent COVID-19: We're in it for the Long Haul By: Melissa Lynch COVID doesn't affect kids, right? That's what we thought at the beginning of this pandemic. We had just moved, and local schools were in virtual and hybrid learning mode. We needed the internet line run to our house still, so we went to a public place for WiFi access. There were only about 7 other students in the building. Physical distancing was in place, but masks were not required indoors for gatherings of less than 10 people at that time. Within 3 days, we learned that one of the children in the building had tested positive for COVID. Within another 3 days, our 11-year-old daughter, Wednesday, started having mild symptoms of COVID. As a precaution, her doctor arranged for care in a virtual hospital for COVID-positive kids. Her symptoms remained mild: headaches, loss of smell, extreme fatigue. I was monitoring her vitals every two hours and reporting to the virtual hospital 3 times a day. There were only 3 days that were a little risky. Wednesday's oxygen levels dropped into the 70s, so she was given albuterol treatments every 4 hours. Her breathing stabilized, and she was released from the hospital to resume normal activities and school. We didn't realize that our journey had only just begun. Wednesday only got to return to school one day before the lethargy returned. She saw her primary care doctor and was diagnosed with Post-Acute Covid-19. The lethargy, along with headaches, extreme fatigue and intermittent low-grade fevers, lasted through December. In January, her cardiologist cleared her to return to normal physical activity. She tried to ease back into cheerleading, but after 3 weeks came home from practice feeling lethargic. She spiked a 103.4 fever and could not get out of bed for 3 days. Wednesday was unable to keep up even with the virtual classes, falling asleep wherever she sat. We pulled her from a structured school environment to give her the flexibility needed for medical reasons, and homeschooled her. During homeschool, we realized that she was not retaining what she was learning; she could watch a documentary and not remember anything about it. She had been an Honor Roll student at an award-winning magnet school who tested above her grade level in several subjects. Now, she couldn't even take notes. Her cognitive levels in learning were soon showing her at a 31 percentile and 2 grade levels behind. Wednesday, now 12, has met testing protocols for multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C) 3 times. She's been diagnosed with Post-Exertional Malaise and Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome (POTS). Since January, she has had 23 relapses of post-COVID symptoms. They average about 2 weeks apart. Every relapse seems different with new symptoms each time. She is declining. At this writing, she has swollen lymph nodes and a 103.2 fever. She is dealing with cardiac symptoms such as rapid heartbeat, chest pressure, fainting and major fluctuations in her blood pressure. She has gastrointestinal symptoms like vomiting and abdominal pain, and neurological issues like loss of feeling in her lower extremities. She recently experienced a seizure. My once happy and energetic child's eyes now cloud over. She glitches like a computer rebooting during normal everyday tasks. As we've learned all too well, COVID-19 does affect children. Even kids who had no symptoms, or only mild symptoms while infected, can develop the debilitating symptoms of Long COVID. I wouldn't wish this on anyone. Melissa Lynch, CMA, RMA, is the USA Lead Director for the international parent organization Long Covid Kids. https://www.healthychildren.org/Eng...ong-Haul-COVID-19-in-Children-and-Teens.aspxb ---------- wrbtrader
STUDIES OF LONG COVID IN CHILDREN AND ADOLESCENTS We identified 14 studies (4 cross-sectional studies,Table 1 and https://links.lww.com/INF/E531). The number of children and adolescents in each study varied from 16 to 6804 (median 330, interquartile range 89–1533). All of the studies were done in high-income countries. Case reports, studies which followed children after a SARS-CoV-2 infection but did not evaluate symptoms of long COVID or studies which did not address predominantly children and adolescents were not included.43–50 There is marked heterogeneity between studies, including differences in design, inclusion criteria, outcomes, and follow-up times (Table 2). Children were evaluated for persistent symptoms for varying durations: more than 4 weeks (2 studies),31,36 more than 4 and 8 weeks (1 study),35 more than 4 and 12 weeks (2 studies),34,41 more than 12 weeks (1 study),37 more than 5 months (2 studies),33,40 and at arbitrary timepoints (6 studies).26,30,32,38,39,42 In 7 studies, evaluation of symptoms was done only through online questionnaires or phone interviews,26,31,32,34–36,40 while 5 studies included study visits.30,33,39,41,42 RESULTS OF STUDIES OF LONG COVID IN CHILDREN AND ADOLESCENTS The prevalence of long COVID symptoms varied considerably between studies from 4 to 66%.26,33–38,40–42 There was also a large variation in the reported frequency of persistent symptoms. The most common reported symptoms were headache (3 to 80%), fatigue (3 to 87%), sleep disturbance (2 to 63%), concentration difficulties (2 to 81%), abdominal pain (1 to 76%), myalgia or arthralgia (1 to 61%), congested or runny nose (1 to 12%), cough (1 to 30%), chest tightness or pain (1 to 31%), loss of appetite or weight (2 to 50%), disturbed smell or anosmia (3 to 26%), and rash (2 to 52%) (https://links.lww.com/INF/E531). 26,30–42 Four studies reported a much higher prevalence of symptoms compared with the other studies.26,30–32 Of these studies, 3 were done at arbitrary timepoints after a SARS-CoV-2 infection.26,30,32 Six studies reported a positive correlation between increasing age,30,35–37,39,40 3 between female sex30,36,37 and 1 each between allergic diseases40 or worse pre-infection physical and mental health37 and the prevalence of persisting symptoms. 40 Furthermore, one study found an association between longer hospitalization and more severe persistent symptoms, and between PIMS-TS and a higher prevalence of persistent symptoms.38 CONCLUSIONS In summary, the evidence for long COVID in children and adolescents is limited, and all studies to date have substantial limitations or do not show a difference between children who had been infected by SARS-CoV-2 and those who were not. The absence of a control group in the majority of studies makes it difficult to separate symptoms attributable to long COVID from pandemic-associated symptoms.30,34,36 In light of the large number of children and adolescents infected with SARS-CoV-2, the impact of even a low prevalence of persisting symptoms will be considerable. However, in the majority of studies, symptoms did not persist longer than 12 weeks.33–35,41 Consistent with this, 1 study that did find a difference between cases and controls in persisting symptoms (at 4 weeks post COVID) reported that by 8 weeks, most symptoms had resolved, suggesting long COVID might be less of a concern in children and adolescents than in adults.35 Interestingly in one study, more than half of adolescents in the uninfected control group reported symptoms at 12 weeks despite only 8% reporting symptoms at the time of testing for SARS-CoV-2.37 The relative scarcity of studies of long COVID and the limitations of those reported to date mean the true incidence of this syndrome in children and adolescents remains uncertain. The impact of age, disease severity and duration, virus strain, and other factors on the risk of long COVID in this age group also remains to be determined. In light of the importance of long COVID in the risk-benefit equation for policy decisions on COVID vaccines for children and adolescents, further studies to accurately determine the risk of long COVID are urgently needed.55 These should include rigorous control groups, including children with other infections and those admitted to hospital or intensive care for other reasons. Longitudinal cohort studies should include regular testing for SARS-CoV-2 to confirm infection, meticulous capture of symptoms, follow-up times that are both consistent and sufficiently long to account for intermittent symptoms, and recording of preexisting medical conditions. More research to identify underlying immunological mechanisms of long COVID is also needed. ---------- 10 of the 14 above Long Covid Pediatric studies are peer-reviewed...non emotional. Strangely, missing from the above Pediatric Long Covid studies was Multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C). It's a well known serious condition that appears to be linked to coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). Most children who become infected with the COVID-19 virus have only a mild illness. But in children who go on to develop MIS-C, some organs and tissues — such as the heart, lungs, blood vessels, kidneys, digestive system, brain, skin or eyes — become severely inflamed. Signs and symptoms depend on which areas of the body are affected. With that said, I'm aware that studies including peer-reviewed studies can be used in a manipulating way to present a story that's not true. Yet, I'm also aware that children dealing with mental illness after their Covid infection could in fact be due to the Pandemic and not the recovery that's been prolonged as Long Covid. Regardless, children with mental illness may be as miniscule as children with Long Covid of the total population. Its data that's still coming out and we may not know how severe it is until after the Pandemic. The one fact remains, children and teenagers better handled the 2020 Covid Pandemic in comparison to adults a lot better than the 1918 Influenza Pandemic. wrbtrader
When I read stuff like this, my first thought is: "What a Fucking Country We Live In!" and I have a similar reaction when I read about public school funding being supplemented with bake sales to raise money for text books. "What a Fucking Country, Indeed!"
It is important to remember that some people on this planet are just ignorant and cannot be rationalized with. Poster "Tsing Tao" is one such person. Something went wrong in his upbringing. He's proud that he sent out his kid mask less in one of the worst outbreaks on the planet to help spread the disease. Fuck him.
Yeah, I figure that out a long time ago and saw him repeat the same again in this thread after he asked for specific Pediatric Covid Death numbers from GWB that has posted in several times in the past including myself. This time I posted pretty images from the CDC with the info along with a direct link to the info below the images...he responds again he wants the specific Pediatric Covid Death numbers. That tells me he doesn't care especially when he stated it's "devoid of facts" after I posted the images from the CDC demographics Covid trend website with the direct links that stated the data was as of March 21st...Pediatric Covid Deaths for several different age groups plus the % of the population. That type of reaction I saw many times in the Sweden threads by Jem and others. At one point, I know their ignorance was high when they complained the data / images / links were 3 weeks old. It's disingenuous behavior for the sake of a debate and it's why I've noticed GWB ignoring their requests more than he typically did in the past. Regardless, every damn school had face mask requirements at some point during the Covid Pandemic. The only way a kid could have gone maskless is a home-schooled kid or a kid young enough to be in daycare...not in school. Anyways, I wrote in my Covid-19 Science News thread what happens in the human body in Covid cases including mild illness. There's a very large % of the population that has been infected with Covid and recovered (sort'uv) from a mild illness...our health care system is going to be extremely business for several years after the conclusion of this Pandemic... All while research still gathering data about the neurologic involvement in children and adolescents. Simply, science still doesn't have enough data beyond what they currently have especially in the United States. Very similar to what happened after the conclusion of the 1918 Influenza Pandemic involving Pediatrics...Pandemic to Pandemic comparison. The main difference, we know the science about how Covid infection attacks the organs and brains of children. The good news, we will learn how to treat the increasing percentage of children / teenagers that develop Long Covid. Too many Covidiots want to know about Pediatric Covid Deaths when they should be focusing on Pediatric Long Covid. They do that because they know Pediatric Covid Deaths are rare while knowing Pediatric Long Covid infects many more percentage of children. Image above: Symptom onset times. Heatmap shows the estimated probability distribution of the onset time for each symptom. White points and error bars show the mean onset time and 95% pointwise confidence intervals. Symptoms are sorted by mean onset time. Overall symptom severity for each time interval (weeks 1–4, month 2–7) was measured using a Likert scale (no symptom, very mild, mild, moderate, severe, very severe). wrbtrader
Risk factors for Pediatric Long COVID Older children, above 6 years, had greater odds of persistent symptoms than children less that 2 years old. In adults also, the risk for long COVID-19 symptoms has been seen to increase with age. Another predictor for long-term symptoms was allergic diseases. This is also similar to what is seen in adults. Studies have reported long COVID in people with asthma. Some reports suggest COVID-19 consequences may be related to mast cell activation, seen in allergic diseases, which may be responsible for long-term consequences of COVID-19. wrbtrader