The Deniers told us COVID doesn't hurt Children

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Aug 16, 2021.

  1. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    1. There were seasonal years where the flu killed just as many per year as COVID. Some years, more.

    2. There was never an influenza mandate. Never a requirement to get the vaccine anywhere, from anyone. In fact, unless you have specific data proving otherwise, I'll bet you dollars to donuts that people rarely vaccinated children for the flu. And everyone went on living just fine.

    3. The VAERS data. Suddenly in the year of the COVID vaccine, the adverse effects listed have blossomed. I wonder why.

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    4. VAERS event data by vaccine, showing that - there really is no comparison in the risk profile of taking the vaccine for Chicken Pox, the Flu, or Hep vs. COVID. It is literally apples and oranges:

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    5. Children rarely, if ever, die from COVID - and if the risk of the vaccine is that much greater, the incentive to vaccinate children isn't there for parents who aren't brainwashed or insane.
     
    #201     Dec 7, 2021
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    So you are hyping VAERS death nonsense. This has been fact checked repeatedly. It's hard to believe you are still pushing this ignorance.

    Once again VAERS does not medically prove in any way that the death was caused by the vaccination. If you get hit & killed by a truck it is still likely to show up in VAERS as a death if you were vaccinated recently.
     
    #202     Dec 7, 2021
  3. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    You mean like COVID deaths?

    You can attack VAERS all you want, but it has been collecting data on all vaccines. So if the methodology was flawed, then it was flawed all along and it is an apples to apples comparison.

    At the end of the day, COVID isn't a risk to almost all children. The vaccine is. As such, you will never convince more parents to vaccinate their children. As time goes on, this will become even less effective and the only way you and your lunatic Religion™ will get more participation is through totalitarian rule - removing people's freedom to work, to eat, to live. That's all you've got. And the more you resort to that, the more people wake up and see you for the fraud you are.

    THAT is your destiny, GWB. And it must suck to know that (which you do, on some level, I'm sure).
     
    #203     Dec 7, 2021
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    In a couple years -- a Covid vaccine will be a requirement to send your children to school -- just like all the other standard vaccines.
     
    #204     Dec 7, 2021
  5. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    A vaccine with how many boosters (by then)? Because in a couple of years, we should be on booster..7? 8?
     
    #205     Dec 7, 2021
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    Let's take a look at the Covid deaths of children from the vaccine.... the number is ZERO.
    Then compare this to the hundreds (in the U.S. alone) of children killed by Covid.

    Obviously getting a child vaccinated presents a lot less risk than the unprotected child being infected with Covid.


    Fact Check-No evidence to support claim by ex-Pfizer scientist on COVID-19 vaccine safety in children
    https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-yeadon-children50times-idUSL1N2S72HQ

    Contrary to a claim made by ex-Pfizer scientist Michael Yeadon, there’s no evidence to say COVID-19 vaccines are “50 times more likely” to kill children than COVID-19 itself.

    Yeadon, who has emerged as an unlikely hero of the so-called anti-vaxxers (see Reuters special report here ), made the statement in a June interview with Steve Bannon (see here, here).

    A recent post on Instagram ( here ) with the allegation has garnered at least 3,351 likes.

    VAERS DATA
    Contacted by Reuters, Yeadon reaffirmed his calculation and said his “estimate was based on review” of the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Event System (VAERS), although he provided no further details on how he arrived at the “50 times” higher figure.

    Reuters has previously addressed claims that use data from VAERS to report high and unverified numbers of COVID-19 vaccine-related deaths in children ( here ) and other age groups ( here , here , here , here , here ).

    Anyone can add adverse event reports into VAERS ( vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html ) and the website includes clear disclaimers from the CDC that reports in the system do not prove causality until they are investigated further.

    Martha Sharan, spokesperson for the CDC, told Reuters, “To date, there are no confirmed cases linking reports of death in children after COVID-19 vaccination to the COVID-19 vaccine.”

    Out of the 194.4 million people fully vaccinated in the United States as of Nov. 10, per the latest CDC data ( here ), “CDC and FDA have identified 50 confirmed reports of people who got the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine and later developed TTS, including 5 confirmed reports of death” ( here ) ( here ).

    “CDC continues to review all reports of death in children to VAERS and closely monitor the safety of COVID-19 vaccines for all who are eligible for vaccination,” Sharan added.

    COVID-19 IN KIDS – WHAT WE KNOW


    It is true that children are at a lower risk of COVID-19-associated hospitalizations and deaths compared to adults, the CDC says, ( here ) and hospitalizations in this age group are mainly registered in those with underlying medical conditions ( here ).

    As previously explained by Reuters, underlying medical conditions put people with COVID-19 at greater risk ( here , here ).

    However, there’s no data to suggest that there have been more COVID-19 vaccine-related deaths in children than deaths from the disease.

    As of November 16, the CDC's COVID-19 tracker recorded 913 COVID-19 deaths and 5,829,850 registered cases among U.S. children aged 0-17 ( here ).

    This mortality rate coincides with data presented by the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) on Nov. 4, which reported that from 0.00% to 0.03% of COVID-19 cases in children result in death ( bit.ly/3wGEsNL ) . The AAP reported a cumulative more than 6.5 million cases in children (see page 5). The age definition of “children” varies across states, from 0 to 20 years old (see page 3).

    Reported COVID-19 deaths in children greatly outnumber the unconfirmed VAERS reports, which again, do not prove causality.

    As of Nov. 12, Reuters found 30 death reports on VAERS following COVID-19 vaccination for ages 6-17 (two of “suicide”) and two for children between 1-2 years old (including 1 unlikely “suicide”).

    Dr Ilan Shapiro, a spokesperson for AAP ( here ), concurred and told Reuters he didn’t find data to support Yeadon’s statement. Shapiro also highlighted that COVID-19 vaccination protects pediatric patients not just against death.

    According to the AAP, there have been almost 1.6 million additional pediatric cases since the first week of September ( here ).

    Although a lower risk of severe disease in children has been observed, they can present long-term effects from SARS-CoV-2 infection, regardless of the severity of the disease. “Long-term health effects even after mild infection in children are now being recognized,” an article by Harvard Medical Public School says ( here ).

    NO EVIDENCE OF DEATHS IN PFIZER-BIONTECH AND MODERNA TEEN AND CHILDREN TRIALS


    “There is no evidence to suggest that claim,” Keanna Ghazvini, Pfizer’s Senior Associate of Global Media Relations, told Reuters via email when asked about Yeadon’s allegation. Ghazvini said, “There have been no vaccine-related deaths in children who have been immunized by the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine.”

    No deaths were reported in the Pfizer-BioNTech trial for minors aged 12-15 ( here ) or 5-11 ( here ). The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine for children aged 5 to 11 has been authorized by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the CDC ( here ).

    “We do not agree with the statement and believe that vaccination is associated with substantial reduction in risk of COVID-19, hospitalization and death across all age groups,” Kate Cronin, Moderna Chief Brand Officer, told Reuters via email.

    Cronin referred Reuters to Moderna’s published data for adolescents (12-17), which reported no deaths ( here ), and to a population modeling study which concluded that including adolescents and children in the COVID-19 vaccination program could significantly reduce the overall disease-related mortality and cases of long COVID-19 ( here ).

    Moderna said in October that its COVID-19 vaccine generated a strong immune response in children and that the safety data was comparable to what was previously seen in clinical trials of adolescents and adults ( here ).

    VERDICT
    False. No evidence to support the claim that COVID-19 vaccines are “50 times” more likely to kill children than the disease itself, as said by an ex-Pfizer scientist.
     
    Last edited: Dec 10, 2021
    #206     Dec 10, 2021
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Every day the Covid death toll of children goes up across the world. Yet the anti-vax Covid-deniers told us it doesn't even hurt children while they tried to claim the vaccine is more deadly than the disease for children -- plus all sorts of other misinformation.

    DOUBLE TRAGEDY
    Schoolboy dies of stroke after catching Covid 6 days before another boy with Covid at same school dies as jabs delayed
    A SCHOOLBOY died of a stroke after catching Covid - just six days before another teen at the same school died after their jabs were delayed.
    https://www.the-sun.com/health/4250642/schoolboy-dies-stroke-covid-another-boy/
     
    #207     Dec 11, 2021
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    The Covid-deniers told us it doesn't hurt children...

    Georgia infant dies from COVID-19, health officials say
    The Georgia Department of Public Health says an infant less than 1 year old died after contracting COVID-19.
    https://www.wyff4.com/article/georgia-infant-covid-death/38513817#

    The 9 Omicron symptoms to watch for in kids – as strain ‘tears through nurseries’
    https://www.the-sun.com/health/4269709/omicron-symptoms-children-nurseries-schools/

    "Figures show Covid cases in nurseries have risen by 38 per cent in one week following the emergence of Omicron."

    Tags: COVIDCHILDREN COVIDOMICRON
     
    #208     Dec 14, 2021
  9. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    How many children died from COVID since the start of the pandemic, GWB? From your article:

    A total of 24 children ages 17 and younger have died across the state since the start of the pandemic, including two 1-year-old children, one in Cobb County and another in Thomas County.

    Out of 2.5Million children in Georgia. 24. = .0000096

    You can post all the one-off articles that claim a child died from COVID. Doesn't mean that 99.999% of kids have no risk from COVID.

    So I ask you for the 30th time, how many kids died. Since the start.
     
    #209     Dec 14, 2021
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    "It's why children are vaccinated against influenza, meningitis, chickenpox, and hepatitis—none of which, even before vaccines were available, killed as many as SARS-CoV-2 per year."
     
    #210     Dec 14, 2021