The Democraps are Class Warfare Socialists

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Pabst, Jan 31, 2004.

  1. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    Look man, I'm really getting tired of debating you because I go through all the trouble to make points and post links and you seem to just avoid the issue and attack my words. I really don't know what else to say here man. But let me ask you this. I get really pissed off when people say there is no difference betwen the right and the left or I vote for the man and not the party, or I look for people with good leadership skills. That is pure 100% grade A down on the farm horseshit. And you've got plenty in stock apparently.

    Let me ask you something. Are you watching the democratic debates right now? Do you realize that every single one of them, yes, every single one of them is proposing some kind of socialized healthcare system. Are you aware of this? How can you possibly tell me if you are at all, and I mean even 2% conservative, how can you possibly think of voting for this? See that is why I said I would never vote for a democrat and I don't know ANY republicans that would vote for a democrat.

    How in the f*ck can anyone that calls himself a conservative or even moderate republican vote for a 400 to 800 billion dollars a year universal healthcare system? Can you walk me through this RS and explain your logic here. Because if one of these pansies get elected you are going to see the biggest healthcare debacle in this nations history and probably the biggest fraud perpetrated on the public since the savings and loan scandal.

    This is why I and no one on the right that I know of would ever make the statement, well I vote on the issue or it depends on the person. No RS, you are a democrat, like I said I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not a flaming liberal but you know what, I don't care if you are anyway. It's all the same, you vote and put a guy like Kerry in as President and you are going to see tax hikes,a health care meltdown, and billion and billions of more wasted dollars on our public education system. Why don't you get this? Republicans want independency, not dependency. I want the government out of my life, out of my schools, out of my hospitals, out of my trading account. I want them out! You want them in. You want them to run the show.

    And that's fine if you believe that, at least have the nutsack to step and say it. Stop trying to caution your words. If you're a liberal stand up and say it, be proud. You know, I have nothing against people who are liberal on here, I just hate the people who are and pretend they are not. Stick up for yourself, be a man, make your family proud, let them know you stand for something. Your not just this johnny fly by night depends on the issue flip flopper. Seriously man, grow a pair.
     
    #41     Feb 2, 2004
  2. Turok

    Turok

    >Stick up for yourself, be a man, make your family proud,
    >let them know you stand for something. Your not just this
    >johnny fly by night depends on the issue flip flopper.
    >Seriously man, grow a pair.

    It's really sad that you equate the careful analyization of the issues with not having balls.

    I try to determine what is best in a given situation before pulling out my pair. My balls are not blind.

    JB
     
    #42     Feb 2, 2004
  3. Mav, I will try. This is hard for me.

    Look man, I'm really getting tired of debating you because I go through all the trouble to make points and post links and you seem to just avoid the issue and attack my words.

    Maverick...I don't know why you are so upset. If you don't want to "debate" me, then don't. Am I forcing you to respond?

    You say I am avoiding the issues and just attacking your words. I am not sure what issues you want me to address. All this really started with my being stunned with your statement that "all Dems and liberals really really hate rich people". So I said I couldn't swallow that, and you responded with an explanation I could not understand.

    Plus, you made an issue of Jews all voting for Democrats, which is also not true (even according to you). You mix the issues to a point that I really just can't follow the logic. So yeah, it' s virtually impossible for me to address the issues since I really can't be sure what issue you want addressed, and even what your point is. Like the thing about doctors and lawyers doing what is good for society. What was the point? Am I supposed to agree? Disagree? What do you want to hear? Give me a real issue you want to debate, and that's fine. But how can I debate an "issue" when I am not clear on what it is you believe? Were you agree and where you disagree with me. Your "arguments" are often all over the place, and I am just confused. Must mostly be because I am not that smart. But some of it really is confusing.

    Surely you need to know that I can't take everything you say literally. Or am I wrong? I mean according to what you said, you know and are friendly with a LOT of Jews. But every one of them is a doctor or a lawyer. So what am I to think? Do you REALLY know a lot of Jews? Are you really friends with a lot of Jews? And if you are, every single on is a doctor or a lawyer? C'mon Mav....if you want to discuss an issue, let's have a reasonable discussion. You cannot possibly expect me or anyone to so readily accept something like that. But like I said, anything is possible. But so is winning the lottery. Having a lot of Jewish friends is possible. Knowing a lot of Jewish people is very possible. But believing that every one of them is a doctor or a lawyer is somewhat difficult to believe. I am not saying you are a liar (though you said I was). I am just saying it is kind of hard to believe.

    You post links and then say that they prove your points. I admit to not even looking at the links. What would be the purpose? You and I both (anyone at all) can find sources to support any side of any argument. So why should I read the links? It is obvious what they are going to say. You wouldn't post anything that was not in complete agreement with your thinking.

    Am I wrong?


    I get really pissed off when people say there is no difference between the right and the left or I vote for the man and not the party, or I look for people with good leadership skills. That is pure 100% grade A down on the farm horseshit. And you've got plenty in stock apparently.

    OK, that is how you feel. I feel differently. So how can we "debate" when you insist on being 100% right about everything? And you already say that it "pisses you off" that people disagree with you. So what's the sense of a discussion? I don't want to piss you off. What does that accomplish?

    Let me ask you something. Are you watching the democratic debates right now?

    No. I am not. I had better (more important) things to do. I can read about it in the papers. Yes, I prefer newspapers to TV for keeping up with the news. I know GWB doesn't believe in reading newspapers, but hey, we are all different. Or should be. But that's my opinion. Apparently YOU believe we should all be the same. Or if we are different, then we are wrong. And we piss you off.

    When there is a CANDIDATE I will be sure and make a point of watching the debates. Right now, I cannot vote anyway. It is not a crucial matter to me right at this moment. And there is nothing I can do about it now even if my blood was boiling like yours is.
     
    #43     Feb 3, 2004
  4. Do you realize that every single one of them, yes, every single one of them is proposing some kind of socialized healthcare system. Are you aware of this? How can you possibly tell me if you are at all, and I mean even 2% conservative, how can you possibly think of voting for this? See that is why I said I would never vote for a democrat and I don't know ANY republicans that would vote for a democrat.

    The people you know seem rather dull. They are all exactly the same? What do you talk about? Every one of you is in complete agreement with all the rest?

    As to the healthcare issue....I am not up to date on who is saying what. But I will try and educate myself on the subject before I cast my vote. Is that reasonable?

    Also, even though I am not familiar with the different health plans now, I do know that there is a very large problem with the way the medical industry is run now. The way insurance companies are run is disgraceful.

    My first wife was a teacher (yes, a Jewish teacher...amazing to you, but in truth, I was surprised that you thought they were rare)....but I digress. Anyway, she was working for the State of Nevada. Then she switched to the Clark County (Las Vegas) school district. There was a rule. For a period of (I think 6 months, but maybe it was a year), she had to be on an HMO before she could switch to the PPO plan. What she had to suffer because of the system was horrible. It was all about dollars. She was ill, her primary care physician through the HMO said she was ill. She was given a prescription to see a specialist. But the pencil pushers at the insurance company said that seeing a specialist was not medically necessary. (too expensive...she would have had to have gone to LA...there were no doctors in Las Vegas that could treat her). This was in contrast to THEIR OWN DOCTOR'S OPINION. But it saved money. So for four or five months, she had to suffer the symptoms of Menieres Syndrome. Imagine feeling sea sick for that long so the insurance company could save some money. Do you see a problem at all with this?

    Also, it is entirely possible (I will never know for sure) that if she had seen a doctor that much sooner, they may have discovered her cancer in time to have treated it. The Menieres and the cancer were unrelated, but still, if the insurance company had been more concerned with providing health care instead of finding ways to PREVENT SPENDING MONEY ON HEALTH CARE it could have saved her life. Unfortunately, there is no way to ever know.

    How in the f*ck can anyone that calls himself a conservative or even moderate republican vote for a 400 to 800 billion dollars a year universal healthcare system? Can you walk me through this RS and explain your logic here.

    I said I don't know that much about what they are proposing. But the system needs something. You cannot NOT have health insurance. I do know that much.

    Because if one of these pansies get elected you are going to see the biggest healthcare debacle in this nations history and probably the biggest fraud perpetrated on the public since the savings and loan scandal.

    Well, if they are of a different opinion than yours, they are "pansies". This kind of language is very effective in helping you make your points. Like the "jew capital of the country", and other fine and reasonable statements that help us all understand how much calm and reasonable thought goes into your political opinions.


    This is why I and no one on the right that I know of would ever make the statement, well I vote on the issue or it depends on the person.

    Again with the "no one ever" kind of thing. Why would I, or anyone even try and debate anything with you? You are 100% right about everything, and anyone who disagrees is 100% wrong.


    No RS, you are a democrat, like I said I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not a flaming liberal but you know what, I don't care if you are anyway.

    So if you can tell me what I am, and how I think, why should I need to respond? You can do it for me. After all, you already know what I think and believe. So why not just write both sides of any issue, and save me the trouble? I am not that good at typing or spelling anyway, so I could use the help.

    It's all the same, you vote and put a guy like Kerry in as President and you are going to see tax hikes,a health care meltdown, and billion and billions of more wasted dollars on our public education system.

    Now THIS I find interesting. You know what's going to happen in the future. So why not help us all out with trading? If I had a crystal ball, I would share the info. (of course you would probably say that is because I am a socialist).

    Why don't you get this? Republicans want independency, not dependency. I want the government out of my life, out of my schools, out of my hospitals, out of my trading account. I want them out! You want them in. You want them to run the show.

    Again, you are telling me what I want. So again, I ask you: Why should I bother to write anything? Express my opinions? You must know what I think better than I do. Because I KNOW there are issues I am undecided about. But you never are. So you can just go on the assumption that I will think whatever you believe the liberal position to be. This would help me out. I could then have an opinion on everything. They would all be wrong, but at least I would have a position. After all, a wrong opinion must be better than an undecided opinion, right?:confused:

    I just hate the people who are and pretend they are not. Stick up for yourself, be a man, make your family proud, let them know you stand for something. Your not just this johnny fly by night depends on the issue flip flopper. Seriously man, grow a pair.

    You use the term "hate" pretty loosely. Just like "never" and "all" and "always".

    You say I should "stick up" for myself. What does that mean? It means if I am not 100% positive about every issue, then I have no balls? And my family will be ashamed of me rather than proud just for admitting that I am not sure about every single thing?

    I'll tell you something. I am proud of what I have accomplished in life. What I have done for my family. So that is what is important to me. If ANY of my family were to say something like "gee dad, you aren't sure of how you feel about issue "x", so now we can't respect you any more. You may have gotten us all new cars when we were teenagers (BTW, a mistake I admit to Mav...I have made a LOT of mistakes!), sent us to summer camps, trips to Israel, the March of the Living trips, taken us on vacations, bought a nice house for us to live in and gave us love and support. Did stuff like picking us up in the middle of the night on New Years Eve when we were too young to drive and sacrificed you own good times. You got us tutors if we needed them. You paid for college for us, your stepchildren, and we aren't even related by blood. You were always kind and caring. But now you can't make up your mind on the current healthcare issue, so we aren't proud of you any more. We are ashamed to be your child/stepchild/wife."

    Yeah, I would be pretty bummed if that happened. But somehow I don't see that scenario unfolding.

    I could be wrong though. You really never know until it's crunch time. Right Mav?

    By the way, Maverick, I strongly suggest you yourself look into the "March of the Living" trip. It could really have a significant effect on you. If you are interested, let me know. I think there are ways for you to go that would make the expense pretty negligable. I have not done it myself. I am the only one in my family that hasn't gone. I would like to. Maybe you and I could go together. Google it up and tell me if you are interested. My kids were all very moved by it. And changed by it. I am sure you would be too. Same for me.

    :confused: RS
     
    #44     Feb 3, 2004
  5. Oh, brother, another excuse for RS7 to give us the minute details of his personal life. Why don't you give your first wife a break and leave her out of your discussions. Of course, it's obvious that you want sympathy. How pathetic. I'm sure her family would want you to stop.
     
    #45     Feb 3, 2004
  6. Oh brother, another excuse for Max to do a little stalking. (not that he ever needs an excuse).

    Max, where have you been lurking?

    Just kidding...I know you have been using my name in vain over on the Atkins diet thread despite the fact I did not even participate in that thread at all. And of course we ALL realize that my participation or lack of participation is irrelevant. Max, you really need to acknowledge that you have a problem.

    I have to admit though; I am impressed with your new found degree of self-control. You do seem to be getting a bit better. I threw a little chum in the waters and you resisted rising to the bait for a solid 56 hours. Very very good!!! Go Max!!! It seems like only yesterday that you would have your attacks ready to go before I even finished writing the post base the attacks on.

    Well, here you are. It was irresistible and inevitable in the end. I understand that.

    You know Max, since you thrive on knowing all about me, here's something you never knew before; a little treat for you. A tidbit so to speak:

    I had a beautiful English Setter named Molly when I lived in Boulder. She followed me around just like you do. She was a truly great dog. And, of course, so are you.

    It always was fascinating to me how your (need/desire/compulsion?) to quote my entire posts was something you couldn't seem to overcome. Now you have outdone yourself and included Maverick's words too. I wonder if he is flattered that you are building monuments to him too now.

    What do you think?

    Peace,
    :)RS
     
    #46     Feb 3, 2004
  7. You evaded the subject nicely. Of course, everyone else is the one with "a problem," but not RS7. Was Molly with you in the Shan when you were captured during your secret spy mission for the State Dept? Or is she one of your many embellishments?
     
    #47     Feb 3, 2004
  8. What subject did I evade Max?

    This was a thread about politics. Then along comes Max and you attempt to make it about your dislike for me. What else is new?

    Why don't you just start a thread about whatever you want? Why must you hijack threads and make them about me? And your dislike for me? (although I really think everyone already knows what you are going to say, but that has never stopped you yet).

    Really, you are free to start a thread. Why not do it? You can pick any topic you choose. (Yes, you can devote an entire thread to your dislike for me. It can be about how everything I say is a lie. About how it is "morbid" or "pathetic" to mention my late wife, really, ANYTHING YOU WANT!!!).

    But until you start a thread about a topic of your choice, what did YOUR post have to do with the topic of this thread? Why were you so compelled to intrude upon the argument/debate or whatever you wish to call it between me and Maverick?

    (Don't bother answering....anyone who has read more than one or two of your posts knows exactly why you do what you do. You are more predictable than the tides).

    And no, Molly was not in the Shan with me. She wasn't even born at that time.

    She was a great pet. She could run like the wind. A very intelligent bitch. Just like you.

    Except she was friendly and gentle. So there she and you differed. A lot.

    And she wasn't fat at all.

    (BTW, once again, what is the purpose of quoting entire posts? Just another unexplainable compulsion?)

    Peace,
    RS
     
    #48     Feb 3, 2004
  9. Well, how does having a good dog named Molly rate? Is it up there with playing on the Filmore East stage with the Allman's? Or maybe it's as cool as hobnobbing about Aspen with Greg and Cher (after you introduced them, of course).
     
    #49     Feb 3, 2004
  10. Max;

    Above this box, to the left, you will see a line that reads as follows:

    "Forums>>Community Lounge>>Chit Chat>>The Democraps are Class Warfare Socialists"

    Now you can make a post regarding the topic of this thread. That would be "The Democraps are Class Warfare Socialists".

    I know you know how to do that. You can click on it, or click on the tab below my post that says "post a reply". Either way, you can make a post about how the Dems are or are not (whichever you prefer) guilty of being "Class Warfare Socialists". So that's the topic you are supposed to be addressing here. You are NOT supposed to be bringing up the same old shit for the ten thousandth time. I know you don't believe me about anything I have said. Everyone knows you don't believe me about anything I have said.

    Don't you get tired of sounding like a broken record?

    If NOT, then you should click on where it says "Chit Chat". That will bring up a list of threads within the "chit chat" forum. On the top of the list, you will find a tab that says "start a new thread". So you can click on THAT, and start making a list of everything I ever said. Then you are free to tear apart every statement I ever made. You may tell yourself (and anyone who reads what you write) that everything I ever claimed is a lie.

    That would be the polite thing to do. Pabst started this thread to express his point of view about a political issue. You should respect Pabst and limit your posts on this thead to that issue.

    If you don't find Pabst's issue of interest, or whatever the issue evolved to be about, then you may start your own thread about me, (or anything else of interest to you ....if there is anything else of interest to you)....and that will give you a forum to say whatever you wish about whatever topic you choose.

    As all threads do, they tend to go off on tangents. So there are plenty of ways for you to take a thread off topic. Happens all the time. But hijacking a thread to make it about your dislike of me...well that is sort of in bad form. For this, you really should start a whole new thread.

    Got it?

    If these instructions are not concise enough, please send me a private message (which is how you should be handling your obsession with me anyway).....no one else really is interested. And if they once were, they can't possibly still be. It is really a tired and and beaten to death topic.

    You have been making the same posts over and over for two years. Everyone has seen them. Everyone gets your message.

    Or, on the other hand, if they don't, that could only mean you are not communicating clearly enough. Do you think this is a possibility? Or is it that you are so insecure that you are concerned that you are not getting your message across. If that is the case, then please, let me assure you that you have expressed yourself very eloquently.

    So do you feel better now? Do you understand how this works?

    Again, any questions, feel free to PM me. Or any of the moderators. If you are still stuck on how to get your message out, someone will be willing to assist you. I promise.

    Peace,
    RS
     
    #50     Feb 3, 2004