The Demise of the Euro

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by Ivanovich, Apr 18, 2008.

  1. I have also been expecting a Euro implosion once things get bad in some countries but not others. Giving up control of interest rate policy is a big leap of faith.

    Instead, what I see is Europe moving towards one big quasi nation state. I don't see how it can work, but it appears to be happening. Although I prefer the supremacy of the dollar, a unified Europe all the way to the Russian border is a good thing I believe. I am rooting for them to succeed in this, and maybe pick up the bill for their own defense!
     
    #11     Apr 18, 2008
  2. 9999

    9999

    Good thread, guys.
    As an Italian, I can tell you that here the ppl is still pissed about the euro, simply because the price of everything pretty much doubled overnight. Salaries got raised too, but in less measure. And of course, exports are plunging. Now that the psycho-dwarf got re-elected again, all bets are off. We'll see.
     
    #12     Apr 18, 2008
  3. omelette

    omelette

    This article really surprised me, it has a sense of desperation about it. Its sole purpose would appear to be to scare traders into selling the euro - is the USD really in this much trouble that they feel the need to resort to "scare-tactics"?

    It's true that inflation has always been the 'prime mover' here but this stuff about Spain withdrawing from the euro and their housing market being in deep trouble is frankly nonsense. Yes, theirs, and most other countries' building industries are currently experiencing a contraction, but not only is this normal, it's healthy. Compared to the U.S housing crisis, (aptly named) europe is in a positive boom!
     
    #13     Apr 18, 2008
  4. Heh...psycho dwarf.

    Again, this thread isn't about the demise of the dollar. It's a discussion related to the Euro. Some good points as to why it would and would not collapse. I'm near the fence, but on the side of the collapse being a possibility. Again, this doesn't have anything to do with me being an American. Actually, if you've read my threads you know I've been planning a move to Switzerland for a while now.

    There was a paper on the possibility of the breakup - let me see if I cannot find it on the net.
     
    #14     Apr 18, 2008
  5. Of course it's nature was not to scare people into selling the Euro. This has been a discussion going on for a long time. Google "Eurozone Break Up" and there are dozens of articles - both pro and against - to be found. This is just the latest one, and it comes through louder than the others because of the level of the Euro.
     
    #15     Apr 18, 2008
  6. Interesting article with some valid points.. BUT..

    The Commies who run the EU will never let that happen, their sole fanatical mission is to create a socialist United States of Europe.

    If anything I predict more European countries will join the Euro.
     
    #16     Apr 18, 2008
  7. I dunno about the commies (having seen real commies in my life time I can say europe doesn't have real ones) but the EZ will definitely get more members before this becomes a real risk.

    And the more members, the harder it will be to maintain cohesion.
     
    #17     Apr 18, 2008

  8. Agreed, the commission will do ANYTHING to keep the € alive
     
    #18     Apr 18, 2008
  9. C6H12O6

    C6H12O6

    "core" inflation ?
    The consumers pays full inflation, that's at 3.6% in march.
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=al2dVk3G451w
    and M3, that's the only data we should look at, grows at 12%.

    That article isn't worth a lot, too shallow, too many points and problems brought up, part of that can be true, but without mention of the possible solutions. The only solution it envisions, is the end of the world.


    That was 20 years ago...
    Actually, Italian export in 2008 is good and growing, despite a supposedly strong euro.
    (in italian)
    http://www.istat.it/salastampa/comu...mestue/20080416_00/testointegrale20080416.pdf
    (brief, in english)
    http://www.istat.it/salastampa/comu...mestue/20080416_00/foreign_trade_UEeMONDO.pdf

    Trade with EU countries (with Euro currency, except UK) that accounts for 60% of the total, has grown 6.4% Y/Y in february 2008.
    Total foreign trade has grown even more, a nice 10,9%.
    That's mainly because of the big jump of Russia (22,5% in volume in January 2008) and China (18,3%).
    Export to USA increased only a tiny 1%, that's obviously because of the devaluation of your currency.

    I said "a supposedly strong euro" because it should be obvious that it's not the euro that's high, but it's the dollar that's low against all currencies. I suppose that a growth of M3 at 20%, thanks to the FED, has something to do with it.


    PS: Saluti a 9999, il mondo è piccolo
     
    #19     Apr 18, 2008
  10. Silvio Berlusconi and his French buddy Nicolas can actually push for a change of the ECB's mandate so Trichet and co would have the obligation to take care of the EU's growth too.
     
    #20     Apr 18, 2008