The Crypto Geniuses Who Vaporized a Trillion Dollars

Discussion in 'Crypto Assets' started by Pekelo, Aug 15, 2022.

  1. schizo

    schizo

    Are you bit challenged when it comes to reading comprehension? I ain't talking about investment firms or brokerages. I'm specifically talking about clearing houses, aka "THE EXCHANGE".

    Exchanges should NOT be in a loan business. That alone creates a conflict of interest.
     
    #21     Aug 15, 2022
  2. There was a time, not too long ago, to trade this dumb you had to work at Amaranth and trade very volatile commodities that are known to go through rapid 7-standard deviation swings. And you had to leverage up to the TITS to do so (using pension investor's money).



    And this... USED to be Amaranth:

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    And... it's GONE! Trading one day, gone the next...
     
    #22     Aug 15, 2022
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  3. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Yup, wonder what Vegas over/under numbers would be for how many hours a day peke'r searches for any and all crypto negative stories, if there was such a category?
     
    #23     Aug 15, 2022
  4. johnarb

    johnarb

    No need to get schizo, dude

    Crypto assets are bearer instruments

    Voyager is considered an exchange and a broker. They source crypto assets from other exchanges for best prices on their trading platform in addition to their customer deposits

    Gemini is an exchange with a trading platform and had deposit/lend offering. Coinbase was prevented

    Tomahtoe, tomeytoe

    Look at Robinhood lending out GME and AMC shares that don't belong to them, they charged interest

    Did the owners of those shares get any yield but took the risk of Robindhood blowing up (they did got saved by cheating)?
     
    #24     Aug 15, 2022
  5. the implosion of some crypto institutions is just like some of the ponzi-scheme storylines on the American Greed show. the scheme and idea are still the same, just copied and executed with crypto crap.
    perhaps, some of these "geniuses" saw the scheme on the show, and they though they'd just replicate it with crypto currencies. Basically, they were con men who exploited on the greed of gullible people.
     
    #25     Aug 16, 2022
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  6. maxinger

    maxinger

    I am sure those crypto Geniuses are Geniuses.

    Who knows, they are billionaires now with wealth in
    somewhere / virtual space
     
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    #26     Aug 16, 2022
  7. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    They were legit smart people, the title was not sarcasm. So were the LTCM guys. But they do not have billions left. Even the AUM wasn't that big and they either lost most of it or gave it back to some not so legit players who could easily hunt them down. It is hard to be on the lam with a family.

    Sure they have a few 20-30 MM houses here and there, but some of those can be taken away by authorities (like Canada did with the widow of the dead broker). All in all, I bet they would have been happier just sticking to boring bank jobs.
     
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    #27     Aug 16, 2022
  8. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Most of these broker ponzis start out as legit trading HFs.(Madoff) Then their trading idea goes sour and they start to run a ponzi.

    The GBTC bitcoin premium did exist and was a legit trading idea. The problem was that it was a illiquid position (6 months lock down) and when the opportunity went away ( the premium turned negative) they didn't get out with a small loss.
     
    #28     Aug 16, 2022
  9. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    The cashed that flew in has to fly out. So money doesn't evaporate, the value of the positions do. That is why market caps are imaginary.
     
    #29     Aug 16, 2022
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    $150 million ‘Much Wow’ yacht left behind by crypto hedge fund’s collapse
    The 3AC founders reportedly failed at forex before switching to crypto
    https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/15/...ac-collapse-kyle-davies-su-zhu-cryptocurrency
     
    #30     Aug 16, 2022