The Credit Crisis Financial Stocks Short Journal

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Daal, Aug 14, 2008.

  1. Daal

    Daal

    The valuation of stock prices do seem to show a degree of boom bust sequences or 'secular' trends

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    The question is, do the same pattern exists in the amount of capital investment devoted to commodity extraction and therefore commodity prices?
     
    #1041     Nov 19, 2009
  2. Daal

    Daal

    What you say is true but Gross is referring to the industry as a whole, the reason they show good returns(HFRI) overtime is likely due leverage and positive risk premiums. Anyone can do that with an IB account and a diversified long levered futures portfolio, and you dont pay 2/20 so your long-term returns will be higher
     
    #1042     Nov 19, 2009
  3. Daal

    Daal

    It seems that the GSCI is up 35% YTD, add a bit of leverage and one could have made 50%. However it only became clear that the US was avoiding a depression in April/May, so the returns one could get would have been lower. And thats one trade I failed to participate, specially given that I would be somewhat hedged given that I was still long tons of stock puts. Had I not made this mistake I could have made a huge return this year

    But another entry should come down the pipe, when the stock market comes back to earth I bet commodities will come with it. I just hope I can finish my research before that
     
    #1043     Nov 19, 2009
  4. If I structure a portfolio putting $10m long into a bunch of stocks, and $8m short into another bunch of stocks. Then my gross leverage is 1.8 but my net long exposure is 0.2.

    Leverage in a fund can indicate lower risk, because if employed right it can lower directional market exposure. It is quite embarrassing that such an obvious fact escapes Gross.
     
    #1044     Nov 19, 2009
  5. Daal

    Daal

    I'm sure he would agree with this, but more often than not hedge funds are not doing these sorts of leverage bets. They cant as individual short selling is not an activity that can take a lot of liquidity, at least compared to the long side of all kinds of assets or betting in futures
     
    #1045     Nov 19, 2009
  6. Daal

    Daal

    This type of fund structure seems a recipe for disaster, they not only have the 10% updrift working against the short side, they also are not able to earn interest in the short selling proceeds(because that was spent buying stocks and they actually have the PB margin interest costs!). You need be a absurdly skillful to beat this vig

    I have no data on this but I would not be surprised if that is the structure most likely to lag the HFRI and if thats not the case its probably due the fact that in the last 10 years two large bear markets occured
     
    #1046     Nov 19, 2009
  7. Take a look at how the big equity L/S funds are setup. There is public L/S exposure data available on some. E.g. Marshall and Wace TOPS fund (one of the bigger European HF) had a 0.23 long exposure in September, 1.27 long and -1.04 short.

    Somebody posted a recent GS prime brokerage bulletin a couple of months ago with the aggregate equity long/short allocations for GS clients. Quite interesting.

    For anybody concerned with short borrowing costs and individual short squeeze risk, there are always liquid equity futures to short. The easiest way to reduce directional market exposure.

    So to get to the point: Gross is way off and overly broad in his assessment.
     
    #1047     Nov 19, 2009
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  9. Daal

    Daal

    Gross is talking about the hedge fund industry as a whole not one particular group. Check the article I posted back
     
    #1049     Nov 19, 2009
  10. #1050     Nov 19, 2009