If more law abiding citizens were carrying, you would see crime drop dramatically. Here is a good example---- https://loudounnow.com/2019/08/11/armed-bystander-stops-robbery-captures-suspect/ An Ohio man was arrested Saturday after an attempted robbery that was thwarted by an armed bystander, according to the Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office. Deputies were called to the area of Holiday Park Drive in Sterling around 9:20 a.m. on Aug. 10 for a report of a robbery. The victim reported that a man he didn’t know assaulted him and his mother-in-law and attempted to rob him. A nearby bystanderwitnessing the incident discharged three rounds from his personal firearm before detaining the suspect until deputies arrived. No one was struck by the discharged rounds during the incident.
FBI report shows importance of armed citizens in stopping mass murder sprees https://www.naturalnews.com/047378_murder_sprees_armed_citizens_FBI_report.html
Man to spend life in prison for killing teens in burglary LITTLE FALLS, Minn. — A Minnesota homeowner who killed two teens during a break-in was convicted Tuesday of premeditated murder and will spend his life in prison without parole. Bryon Smith, 65, had claimed he was defending himself during the break-in at his home in this city of about 8,000 on Thanksgiving Day 2012. Minnesota law allows a person to use deadly force for defense, but that action must be considered reasonable. During closing arguments, the six-man, six-woman jury heard two portrayals of Smith — one a man who feared for his life because of previous burglaries and another of a man who baiting the teenagers in what a prosecutor likened to deer hunting. Smith, 65, was convicted of two counts each of first- and second-degree murder in the deaths of Haile Kifer, 18, and Nick Brady, 17. The cousins were killed Nov. 22, 2012, after Smith fired a total of nine shots from two different weapons when Brady broke into his house on the Mississippi River about 100 miles northwest of Minneapolis and Kifer followed about 11 minutes later. Prosecutor Peter Orput called it a "very serious but a very simple case." Who killed the teenagers, where and when isn't in doubt, he said. He focused instead on premeditation when talking to the jury. He pointed out that Smith had moved his pickup truck away from his house that day to make it look like nobody was home. “He was confronted by a situation: Do or die. Or at least he thought so because a month earlier he had guns stolen.” - That was baiting the teens like hunting, Orput said. He then discussed the chair where Smith sat in his basement, waiting for the burglars to come to his house again. "There's your deer stand," he said of the chair. The deaths of Kifer and Brady were "not pretty; they were difficult." But the teens weren't murdered, defense lawyer Steve Meshbesher said. Smith had a right to defend himself and his residence that day when two burglars broke in, Meshbesher said. Smith didn't know if they had weapons or were planning to harm or kill him. "He was confronted by a situation: Do or die," Meshbesher said. "Or at least he thought so because a month earlier he had guns stolen." Kifer and Brady, not Smith, were the ones who made bad choices that day, the lawyer said. He called Smith "courageous" for facing a charge he called "unfair." “Was it fear that drove this or something else? Anger. Resentment?” - Orput asked the jury to consider whether Smith was reasonable to think the burglars might hurt or kill him and whether Smith's response to that concern was reasonable. Orput played excerpts of Smith's interview with law enforcement after his arrest and highlighted portions that he said showed Smith as a vigilante, planning and waiting for the opportunity to kill. Smith wasn't a man in fear but a man angry about past unsolved burglaries and fed up that police hadn't done anything to help him, Orput said. "Was it fear that drove this or something else? Anger. Resentment?" the prosecutor said. Orput also played again the recording that Smith made before, during and after the shootings. He singled out three things that Smith said to himself before the killings: "in your left eye" was the first. Kifer had been shot just below the left eye. "Is that fear or a plan?" Orput asked the jury. Smith also rehearsed a call to his brother and to a law office asking to meet with a lawyer. <!--iframe--> Jurors heard what Smith said in the five hours after the killings. He degraded both teens as "vermin" who were "social problems, social mistakes." Meshbesher told jurors that Smith didn't set a trap for Kifer and Brady and that all he wanted was to be left alone in his own house. Smith was a victim in this case. "They came in. He did not invite them," Meshbesher said. "Mr. Smith has a legal right under the laws of this state to defend his home." The jurors deliberated about two hours, and the judge sentenced Smith immediately afterward. Contributing: The Associated Press
https://lightfromtheright.com/2012/02/27/guns-self-defense/ Thousands of Criminal Attacks Thwarted by Armed Citizens According to the authors of Cato Institute’s recently released study on how often guns are used by citizens to prevent crime, “tens of thousands of crimes are prevented each year by ordinary citizens with guns.” In a study of more than 5,000 news reports over an eight-year period, Clayton Cramer and David Burnett showed that the mere presence of an armed citizen thwarts many crimes, even beyond those that are reported by the police and subsequently printed in the newspaper. Of the 5,000 incidents reported between October 2003 and November 2011, 488 involved home burglaries along with another 1,227 incidents where intruders fled when confronted by armed inhabitants. Another 34 concerned pizza delivery drivers defending themselves, along with 172 animal attacks. Concerns about an attacker taking a gun away from an armed victim were proven invalid, with 227 incidents reported where the intended victim disarmed his attacker, while just 11 attackers disarmed his victim. Twenty-five rapes were avoided by armed victims. Two hundred and one attacks were neutralized by armed senior citizens (over age 65, according to the authors) The study also put into perspective the number of accidental shootings that were reported to the papers in that eight-year period. Although the Centers for Disease Control reported 535 accidental shootings in 2006, the authors found only five in their database. The study also identified 36 cases where the defender lost his life during the incident but that compares to the 210 cases where the perpetrator was shot by his intended victim. Sixty-five carjackings were successfully ended by an armed citizen who used his weapon to defend himself.
thank you for posting this, by the way, as it helps to explain your nuttiness. Some of these screwball tenets are such that they can be interpreted in very pernicious ways. Is that by design? By the way, your economic naivete is showing when you say you are an advocate of budget surpluses. Were the country to run repeated, and significant, surpluses it would soon fall into deflation, economic chaos and collapse.
In the early morning hours of December 9, 2007, 24-year-old Matthew John Murray (b. December 5, 1983) opened fire at the Youth With A Mission training center in Arvada, Colorado, killing two and wounding two others before escaping. Later that afternoon, he attacked the New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado, with a number of firearms, killing two more people and injuring three before being shot by Jeanne Assam, a member of the church's safety team, who was carrying a licensed private firearm. Murray subsequently died from a gunshot wound to the head, which reports indicate was inflicted either by himself, or possibly by Assam.
So..the good guy with the gun that stopped the bad buy with the gun was actually the bad guy with the gun who killed 4 and injured 3 before turning the gun on himself. Cool story bro...