The Conservative Principle

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Buy1Sell2, Dec 28, 2017.

Are you a Conservative?

  1. Yes

    19 vote(s)
    51.4%
  2. No

    10 vote(s)
    27.0%
  3. Mostly

    8 vote(s)
    21.6%
  1. Article I, Section 8 of the Constition gives Congress the power to declare War.

    I think you purposely post stupid shit to troll us.
     
    #391     Jul 24, 2019
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  2. no, he is truly stupid as fuck.
     
    #392     Jul 24, 2019
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  3. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    https://aclj.org/national-security/...ilitary-action-without-congressional-approval

    Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 of the U.S. Constitution grants Congress the power to declare war. The President, meanwhile, derives the power to direct the military at all times, whether or not there is a formal declaration of war, from Article II, Section 2, which names the President Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. The President’s constitutional powers are quite broad in the context of limited military action. Additionally, courts have long upheld the President’s right to be the sole voice of the nation, in charge of conducting our foreign policy. In general, constitutional powers are not so much separated as "linked and sequenced"; Congress's control over the armed forces is structured by appropriation and provision, while the President commands all military forces.
     
    #393     Jul 25, 2019
  4. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    The War Powers Act of the 70's is unconstitutional as it clearly violates "Separation of Powers" in The Constitution. The president is the commander in chief of the armed forces and as such is able to command them at any time, anywhere. He doesn't have to put a bunch of papers together and rush off to the Hill to get approval. Congreff has the ability to defund the president's military forays as that is their power---appropriation. That is the check and balance. Congreff has the ability to declare war but the US has declared war only 5 times in it's history. So, it only follows that not only is the War Powers Act unconstitutional as well as is this new bill passed in the House, but it is also unnecessary. If Congreff doesn't like the president taking military action in another country, just defund the military action. But the military action would need to take place first, you cannot just preemptively defund an action that has not occurred.
     
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    #394     Jul 25, 2019
  5. Cuddles

    Cuddles


    Too stupid for words
     
    #395     Jul 25, 2019
  6. FALSE. Senate approves all treaties for example so if President makes an agreement with a foreign leader, it means shit unless Senate approves it. In other words it does not exist.

    I seriously think you have a learning disability.
     
    #396     Jul 25, 2019
  7. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    "Clearly"!? Omg. B1... Please... learn to use "IMO" when you write. This law has been in effect for almost 50 years ok. If it was "clearly unconstitutional", I doubt that would be the case.

    The United States Constitution is deliberately inefficient.
    The Separation of Powers devised by the framers of the Constitution was designed to do one primary thing: to prevent the majority from ruling with an iron fist. Based on their experience, the framers shied away from giving any branch of the new government too much power. The separation of powers provides a system of shared power known as Checks and Balances.


    The law:

    (b) Within sixty calendar days after a report is submitted or is required to be submitted pursuant to section 4(a)(1), whichever is earlier, the President shall terminate any use of United States Armed Forces with respect to which such report was submitted (or required to be submitted), unless the Congress (1) has declared war or has enacted a specific authorization for such use of United States Armed Forces, (2) has extended by law such sixty-day period, or (3) is physically unable to meet as a result of an armed attack upon the United States. Such sixty-day period shall be extended for not more than an additional thirty days if the President determines and certifies to the Congress in writing that unavoidable military necessity respecting the safety of United States Armed Forces requires the continued use of such armed forces in the course of bringing about a prompt removal of such forces.

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    Edit: One more thing B1.... the term "Separation of Powers" does not appear once in the U.S. Constitution.
     
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    #397     Jul 25, 2019
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  8. B1 was homeschooled in a remedial program...they never got to the Constitution because of time spent on potty trianing and losing money.
     
    #398     Jul 25, 2019
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  9. destriero

    destriero

    The Conservative Principle... massive, Weimar-era deficits.
     
    #399     Jul 25, 2019
  10. RedDuke

    RedDuke

    GOP only cares about deficits when Dem is in white house.
     
    #400     Jul 25, 2019
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