The compelling scientific reason why hardcore Trump supporters and reality are incompatible

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Sep 12, 2023.

  1. Leftist media has been trying to label Trump and most anyone else they don't like as a Nazi White Supremacist for years. This has been CNN's narrative to justify any protest or other action, legal or not. However mere accusations don't make it true. Look at Trump's record honestly. Sure, you can characterize Trump's diplomatic efforts with Kim and Putin as a "Corroboration of dictators" to fulfill a narrative or you can characterize Trump's efforts as an attempt to improve relations with potentially dangerous geopolitical competitors. Perhaps if Trump were elected in 2020, his relationship with Putin would have been strong enough such that Ukraine would not have been invaded in the first place.

    My worry, actually seemingly increasingly confirmed, is you people actually believe your own propaganda. The may lead to election of the least competent President available out of all the possible candidates. With geopolitical tensions mounting, can you see a benefit to having a President that is able to work with geopolitical competitors?

    As far as the reference to Germany in the 30's, which US Politician is presently escalating against Russia? Yes, Ukraine was invaded by Russia. The question is, are we supporting Ukraine for the renewal of defense contracts and all the political goodies that go along with that or is Biden committed to ousting Russia from Ukraine? If it is the latter, what do you project the outcome of that to be, especially in light of Russia regularly increasing troop commitments by hundreds of thousands at a time while bolstering commitments from her allies? Sending money to a Russian ally Iran, handing over a top arms dealer back to Russia, draining our strategic petroleum reserve, and creating a diplomatic rift with leading energy producer Saudi Arabia seems other than optimal leadership by Biden, at least to me, during escalating geopolitical tensions with major powers. Who is Joe really working for and why? And you say Trump is self-centered and only thinks for himself? Look again and think for YOURSELF. For a change.
     
    #11     Sep 12, 2023
  2. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    So reading bullshitsnostranger there I have a new theory I call ADHT!

    The inability to organise information (about Trump) heirarchally.

    Like ADHD.
     
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    #12     Sep 12, 2023
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  3. If parties had balls to push for another direction it might help. Dems are stuck in the Biden mud and GOP seriously wont do anything about trump... I have never seen an election where the voters have little to no control. People dislike the other guy so much they would take anything on their side.

    If you put a gun to my head I couldnt even think of a least or lesser of all evils matchup next year. If trump runs I dont want him to win so Biden becomes my only choice which is basically voting for President Kamala in another year. If Biden stays the nominee I cant avoid my fear above by simply voting for trump...

    ugh.....i seriously might sit out my first election....
     
    #13     Sep 12, 2023
  4. Overnight

    Overnight

    You could always write in the other guy, Bill D. Cat

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    #14     Sep 12, 2023
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  5. from Quora
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    Alan Adler

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    "Elect a businessman," they said. "He'll run the country like a business," they said. "We don't need career politician," they said. He did then here's what we got!

    (100% FACT CHECKED, TRUTH)! Trump spent almost an "entire year" of his 4-year presidency playing golf! 91 days in 2017, 75 days in 2018, 84 days in 2019 & 57 days in 2020

    .First President in history to serve a full term and increase the deficit every year he was in office.

    First President in history to maintain a debt-to-GDP ratio over 100% for his entire term. With the highest annual budget deficit, adding the most amount to the national debt in a single term.

    First President in history to increase the national debt by nearly $7.8 trillion. A sum translating to $23,500 in new debt per person across the country!

    First President in history to lose jobs in his first term. And cause the largest single-day point drop in the history of the Dow.

    First, major party candidate in half a century to lose the popular vote twice. With the longest government shutdown in history, (doing that while his own party controlled both chambers of Congress).

    First President in the history of approval ratings to maintain a net negative approval rating for his entire term.

    Only President to be impeached twice first President to have bipartisan support for his conviction after impeachment (which happened both times).

    First President to attempt a coup d'état when leaving office!

    His term in office saw the most indictments, guilty pleas, and criminal convictions of members of an administration.

    And these are just a few of the records he set!

    He flatlined a strong economy even before the pandemic.Hewasted billions on an idiotic vanity wall that’s already falling over.He told tens of thousands of lies.
    He violated the Emoluments Clause and the Hatch Act more times than can be counted.

    First US President in history to be federally & state indictedwith 4 criminal indictments totaling91 counts of felonies for LYING,obstructing, & espionage, for keeping & not returning classified documents that he had no business having! And 4 counts of felonies for 1) Conspiracy to defraud the United States; 2) Conspiracy to obstruct and official proceeding; 3) Obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding: and 4) Conspiracy against rights, 5. Racketeering charges while attempting to overturn a state election!!!

    Additionally, hehas been indicted and arrested for 34 felonies committed in NY state.

    He wasfound liable for battery, (sexual assault), and defamation, in the E. Jean Carroll case. And the plaintiff has been awarded a total of $5,000,000.00. FACT: DJT refused to provide his DNA which would have proved his guilt or innocence beyond any measure!

    He wasdirectly responsible for the deaths of more than a million Americans by pushing lies and disinformation about COVID that caused many people to not take the situation seriously.

    He was directly responsible for more federal executions than the previous 10 administrations combined. His justice department accelerated the schedule to ensure people would die before the incoming administration could intercede.

    He wasdirectlyresponsible for a violent coup attempt, and its hateful rhetoric has been the cause of multiple acts of violence around the country.

    Hepurposelyengaged in a long-term campaign to undermine the electoral process.

    Hepurposelyengaged in a long-term campaign to undermine the judicial process.

    He purposely stacked the courts with right wing religious nut political hacks who lied under oath. Resulting in the reversal of Roe vs. Wade, absolutely against public sentiment.

    Herepeatedly claimed absolute "Constitutional powers" that the Constitution never granted ANY President, in a particularly galling example of undermining the rule of law.

    Hegave a voice and a sense of legitimacy to elevated white supremacists, white nationalists., and garden-variety fascists.

    He has continuallyengaged in a campaign of fomenting and exacerbating divisions in the population.

    Hepersonally ordered the release of 5,000 Taliban fighters from prison. One of whom would become the new leader of Afghanistan.

    He cozied up to authoritarian dictators like Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un because he admires such people.

    He played (and cheated while playing) golf 280 times while he was in office. Costing taxpayers more than $100,000,000.00! With much of that going back into his own pockets!

    Don-shit-for Brains had NO PLAN for healthcare, NO PLAN for immigration, NO PLAN for Isis, NO PLAN for the economy, NEVER drained the swamp. And, trump Airlines FAILED, trump Casinos FAILED, trump Marriages FAILED, trump Mortgage FAILED, trump Steaks FAILED, trump University FAILED, trump Vodka FAILED, trump Water FAILED, trump's China Connection FAILED & trump had 6 Bankruptcies. And his daughter and son-in-law were able to use their presidential office connections to "grift" 2 billion dollars from the Arabs!
    Plus, he sabotaged gas prices with an idiotic deal with OPEC to create a global oil shortage. Trump doesn't like to be told what to do. He believes that he is above the law and doesn't have to follow the rules. He DOES WHAT HE WANTS TO DO and TAKES WHAT HE WANTS TO HAVE, pussy-grabber in chief. What we got with Trump is a crook, a liar, and a "LOSER!"
     
    #15     Sep 12, 2023
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  6. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    People who can't see that Trump will bring absolute ruin of all institutions and ultimately a red blue state union collapse are fools.

    A nearly dead stick president will be perfectly fine.

    It's the people working and the US parasite sucking that sweet adrenochrome of youthful talent from the 96 percent aka everybody else, that means the economy will be OK. Institutions do what they do.

    They just don't need another plague like from the bible like 2020. Trump was stopped at every turn before by his own people, he will stop that. Hurricanes will be nuked.
     
    #16     Sep 12, 2023
  7. Soon after the 2020 election results came in, I visited a long time prominent Texas Republican Representative who won his election in his new district. He previously lost in his old district under circumstances described as possible, if not probable election fraud. I expected a sympathetic ear to my concerns regarding Trump and the 2020 elections. However, from security, to reception, to the data analyst I spoke to, the vibe I received was not what I was expecting. It was as if each would try to stifle a shudder every time I mentioned Trump. The Representative in question I would consider establishment. Based on the preceding, I can well imagine Republicans ousting Trump from their party under certain conditions.

    Perhaps a solution to 2024 involves a negotiated settlement between parties where Biden and Trump get ousted. Republicans would not like the prospect of Trump running third party as it would almost certainly hand the Presidency to the Democrats. However, Trump may need Republican support to reach an agreement regarding the indictments, if you catch my drift.

    Systemic reforms addressing the politicalization of our justice department and enforcement agencies are fundamentally necessary in my opinion to get Republicans to agree on said negotiated settlement. Reforms regarding the media also seem necessary. Fortunately, there is a body of law that is the basis for civil legislation involving business to business and business to consumer dealings. This is agency law. Agency law can and should be used as a template for future legislation and in constructing my proposed negotiated settlement.

    Agency law lists the duties and obligations each party has in a transaction, depending on their relationship. A politician is supposed to represent his constituent. As such, the principles in agency law apply. Specifically, a principle to client type of agency. Below is a list of duties and obligations each party owes each other under an agency relationship:


    https://www.eaa.org.hk/en-us/Inform...5-Agents-duties-to-principal-under-common-law

    1. To act in the best interests of the principal


    a. When an agent is appointed to facilitate or negotiate a transaction on behalf of the principal, the agent owes a duty to the principal to act in the principal's best interests within the authority of the agent.

    b. In practice, the duty to act in the best interests of the principal requires the agent to use his due diligence and skill to negotiate terms of a transaction on behalf of his principal with a third party to the greatest advantage of his principal in the circumstances.

    2. No conflict of interest


    a. An agent who has accepted an appointment to act for a principal ("A") should not thereafter accept appointment to act for another principal ("B") if the interests of principal B conflict with the interests of principal A. However, if the agent fully discloses to each principal the agent's interests under the two appointments and the fact that he acts for both principals at the same time and obtains the consent of each principal to the dual agency, he may still act for the two principals. Accordingly, an estate agent who acts for both the vendor and purchaser in a sale and purchase property transaction must disclose the fact to both the vendor and the purchaser and obtain their consent for so acting.

    b. The agent's duty to avoid conflict of interest applies equally to cases where the interest of the agent himself or that of his close relatives conflicts or potentially conflicts with his duties to the principal. However, if the agent fully discloses such interests to the principal and obtains the principal's consent, the agent may still act for the principal. Failure to make full disclosure to the principal is a breach of the agent's fiduciary duty and the agent is liable to account for any profit that the agent has made from such transaction in addition to other remedies available to the principal for the agent's breach of duty. The following situations require more discussion:


    i. Purchase or rent from principal – the general rule is that an agent cannot purchase or rent property from his principal without full disclosure of all the facts to the principal. The agent has to show:


    • How the terms and conditions of the sale or tenancy to the agent compare to a sale or tenancy to a third party in the market;

    • He has disclosed all the relevant facts to the principal before entering into any agreement with the principal; and

    • The principal has given his informed consent to such a transaction.

    ii. Sale or rent to principal – similarly, an agent may not sell or let his own property to his principal without full and frank disclosure and the obtaining of his principal's informed consent. The agent has also to show how the terms of the relevant transaction compare to similar transactions in the market.

    3. No secret profit


    a. Common law requires that an agent should not make any profit or acquire any benefit in the course and in the matter of his agency without the knowledge and consent of his principal. Such profit, generally known as secret profit, is not restricted to money but may include anything of value, for example, an interest-free loan, a club membership, etc. An agent who has made secret profit is liable to account to the principal for such profit in addition to any other remedies available to the principal for the agent's breach of duty. The following situations are some examples of secret profit:


    i.
    Use of property

    An agent who uses property entrusted to him by the principal to make a profit for himself and without the principal's consent is in breach of his duty not to make secret profit. For example, if an estate agent is entrusted with the keys to a property by its owner for the purpose of listing while the owner is abroad, and the estate agent lets the property to a third party and receives and keeps the rent for himself without the consent of the owner, the estate agent will be, among other things, in breach of his duty not to make secret profit.


    ii.
    Use of position

    In some circumstances, an agent may obtain a benefit simply through his position as agent of the principal. For example, an agent appointed to purchase goods for his principal from a supplier obtains secret monetary benefit from the supplier for placing purchase orders with the supplier. Such an act by the agent will amount to making secret profit. Likewise, if a company director is entrusted with the task of negotiating a contract with a third party on behalf of the company (that is, as the company's agent), the director cannot subsequently enter into that contract personally with that third party, even if the latter is willing to do so without the company's consent. An agent who, without lawful authority or reasonable excuse, solicits or accepts any advantage in relation to his principal's affairs or business in the course of his agency shall be guilty of an offence under Section 9 of the Prevention of Bribery Ordinance, Cap. 201.


    iii.
    Use of information or knowledge

    An agent who acquires information or knowledge which he has been employed by the principal to collect or discover, or which he has otherwise acquired for the use of his principal should not make use of the same for his personal gain. For example, in the course of acting for a purchaser, an estate agent looks for a property for investment in a particular building specified by the principal and becomes aware of a property in that building which is being offered for sale at below the market price. If the estate agent makes use of this information, which he is appointed to obtain on behalf of the purchaser, and acquires that property himself without disclosing the same to the purchaser and makes a profit by reselling it, the estate agent will, among other things, be in breach of his fiduciary duty not to make secret profit.


    b. However, the duty not to make secret profit may be discharged if the agent makes full disclosure of all the relevant facts to the principal and the principal consents to the making and retention of such profit by the agent.

    c. An agent's duty to account to his principal secret profits he has made in the course of the agency continues even after the agency relationship terminates.

    4. Duty of confidentiality


    a. Owing to the fiduciary relationship between a principal and his agent, the agent shall not disclose any information concerning the principal or any confidential information entrusted to him by the principal to any third party in the absence of the principal's consent.

    b. Information concerning the principal may include his name, Hong Kong identity card number, address, telephone number, etc.

    c. Confidential information entrusted to an agent includes any information which is not readily available to the public. Information readily available to the public will usually include information which is kept at government departments and is open for inspection by the public, such as the Land Registry, Companies Registry and the Birth and Death Registry.

    d. Even if the agent has ceased to act for the principal, the agent should continue to keep confidential any information concerning the principal or any confidential information entrusted to him by the principal, unless the principal consents to disclosure or unless the information has ceased to be confidential.

    e. However, an agent has implied authority to disclose information concerning the principal if to do so is necessary for the agent to carry out the duties entrusted to him by the principal. For example, an estate agent may disclose to the appointed solicitors of the purchaser (the estate agent's principal) such information relating to the purchase as will enable the solicitors to handle the transaction on behalf of the purchaser.

    5. Duty to use care and skill


    a. Common law requires an agent to act with due care and skill in performing his duties. Agents who fail to meet this standard are prima facie negligent.

    b. Generally speaking, an agent in a certain profession, trade or calling who performs his duty with the degree of care and skill expected of a reasonable, average member of the relevant profession, trade or calling meets the requisite standard.

    6. Duty to account


    a. An agent who receives any property for his principal or from his principal is bound to keep such property separate from his own and he is to be treated as a trustee of such property.

    b. For the reason stated in sub-paragraph (a), an agent has a duty to keep proper accounts of the property received by him in the course of the agency and to render such account to the principal on request.

    c. Even after the agency relationship has ceased, the agent's duty to account to the principal may continue. Hence, the agent is obliged to return to his principal all documents and property originally given to the agent by the principal and documents prepared by the agent on the instruction and at the expense of the principal.

    7. Duty not to delegate


    a. The general rule is that an agent may not delegate his authority or duty in whole or in part except with the authority and consent of the principal.

    b. Owing to the fact that an agency agreement is privy to the principal and the agent and that authority is normally given to the agent personally, on account of his trustworthiness, skill or experience, the agent is under a duty to the principal not to delegate his duties under the agency agreement to another person, but to exercise the authority in person. Hence, an agent has normally no implied authority to employ deputies or sub-agents to carry out his duties.

    c. Where an agent is not authorised to delegate, the act of a "sub-agent" appointed by the agent will not be binding on the principal. The agent who so delegates his authority is also in breach of the duty not to delegate and is liable to compensate for any loss which the principal may suffer in consequence of the agent's failure to exercise his authority in person.

    8. Duty of obedience


    a. Generally, agents are under a duty to obey the lawful and reasonable instructions of the principal. Where the principal's instructions are clear, the agent does not normally have any discretion and must follow those instructions, unless an agent is a professional and the principal relies on the agent to exercise his professional skill and discretion in accomplishing the tasks he has been appointed to accomplish.

    b. However, if the principal's instructions are ambiguous or if the agent is not certain as to their meanings, the agent should clarify such instructions with the principal before acting.


    Excuse my lengthy post, but some very smart legal scholars have long ago come up with a way to address pervasive issues involving people to people interactions. If the principles above were applied more widely and consistently, many of the issues we see today would diminish. Indeed, many of the issues I presented in previous posts in this thread would not exist if the principles listed above were adhered to.

    Seems to me our system is in a existential crisis. Democracy and effective governance are under threat. As a practical matter, due to the endemic level of political corruption, instead of attempting to assign blame and demand reparations and need for cooperation to implement the negotiated settlement, all should be forgiven. In other words, no one has to go to jail. Perhaps campaign and certain types of foreign transaction reforms can be agreed upon as well.
     
    #17     Sep 13, 2023
  8. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    Easy solution.

    Trumpo is disqualified, Republicans pick somebody else. Trumpo goes to prison and is forgotten.

    Then hopefully friends or the Czech Republic government will repatriate Ivana's body to be buried, or perhaps a nice Catholic graveyard in NYC which is what she would have wanted.
     
    #18     Sep 13, 2023
  9. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    c'mon man, you're way smarter than that. Don't fall into the GOP fatalist bothsideism trap they've been setting. It's why this whole Hunter political witch hunt and "impeachment" proceedings are for.

    Just look back at the 3 SCOTUS appointments and shitty decisions, you think Kamala's going to appoint a federalist society nutter replacement for Thomas? You think her "don't come" speech is equivalent to toddler concentration camps and forced hysterectomies?
     
    #19     Sep 13, 2023
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  10. Overnight

    Overnight

    Grabbing the popcorn for that one. Because while it's the dumbest idea ever and will spread deadly radiation fallout over 10s of thousands of square miles, admit it...You and I and everyone else wanna' see what it would look like to nuke a hurricane.

    I'd normally post a clip of Sharknado 2: The Second One, but even THAT is just too horribly bad to subject people to.
     
    #20     Sep 13, 2023
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