The Coming 2nd Crash; It's On The Way

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by ByLoSellHi, May 28, 2009.

  1. A friend that I respect very much (he told me to buy oil futures in 2006 because oil would hit $150 - I laughed. He wasn't offended; he turned out to be right) sent me this article.

    I know that it's from a 'gold bug' site, but it's well written and contains some key data sets to back up its principle conclusions.

    The virus that affected subprime mortgages is working its way through the entire RMBS and CMBS supply.

    With rising unemployment, we are going to see much, much worse economic data than even some of the bears expect, sooner rather than later.

    If you disagree with this assessment, that's fantastic. I, for one, would love to hear a cogent rebuttal to the viewpoint expressed below.

    -"Is the stock market's next 10/9/07 on the way? Yes. Which day will it be? That's unknowable. It could be in a week, or not for another year.

    But make no mistake about it, the second crash is coming. It can't be prevented, no matter what desperate measures Obama and his hapless financial advisors come up with. All we can hope for is that, with a little luck, it won't be as severe as the first one. But it will last longer. We aren't even in the middle of the woods yet, much less on the way out.

    The order of the day is to be very defensive."

    May 28, 2009

    The Second Crash - On the Way and Unstoppable
    by Doug Hornig

    Tuesday, October 9, 2007 started as a nice day in New York City. A lovely early fall day, with the temperature still a balmy 80° at 2:00 in the morning. By evening, though, the temperature had dropped twenty degrees, the clouds had rolled in, there was thunder and rain.

    As with the weather, there were some hints of trouble here and there on Wall Street. But all in all, things could not have seemed better. Little did we know, the stormy end of 10/9/07 signaled a very large bubble that had just popped.

    That was the day when the Dow Jones Industrial Average hit its historic peak. From there, it was all downhill -- slowly but steadily at first, and then violently after last August -- until the Dow bottomed (for now) on March 9 of this year. Over that span, the index lost 54% of its value.

    It's been a crushing blow to just about everyone. But it's already being referred to as the crash. As if the unpleasantness were now all behind us. More likely, in the future it will be seen as, simply, the first crash.

    Don't believe it? In a moment you will, when you see the scariest graph of the year.

    But let's quickly recall what's already happened. During the late, great housing boom, interest rates were at microscopic levels, while bankers were encouraged to grant home loans on little more than a wink and a nudge. In order to inflate their balance sheets, those bankers resorted to all sorts of gimmicky, adjustable rate mortgages (ARMs), whose common feature was an interest rate that would eventually reset. That is, it would balloon somewhere down the road. And those most likely to come quickly to grief were the riskiest borrowers, who held loans known as "subprime."

    "But not to worry," borrowers were told. "Betting on ever-rising home prices is the safest wager in the whole wide world. If you have problems with cash flow when the ARM resets, your house will be worth a lot more, so you can simply sell it and walk away with a nice chunk of change in your pocket." Uh-huh.

    The bankers themselves were a little more concerned about the deterioration of their portfolios. They took out insurance in the form of credit default swaps (CDSs). These were a brand-new invention in world financial history, allowing mortgages to be sold and resold until they were leveraged 20 times over. They became the shakiest part of a huge global derivatives market, with a nominal value in the tens of trillions of dollars.

    For a while, this Ponzi scheme even worked. But then, as they had to, the ARMs began resetting, and there were defaults. Then more of them. Because at the same time, the housing market was cooling off and the economy was stalling out. More and more people were trapped in a situation where they owed more on their home than they could sell it for. Many simply mailed their keys to the bank and moved on.

    All of this wreaked havoc in the derivatives market. Sellers of these exotic packages could no longer establish what they were worth. Buyers couldn't determine a fair price and so stopped buying. As the ripples spread through the world financial system, trust disappeared and liquidity dried up.

    Now consider that the base cause for all that dislocation was the subprime sector. And how big is that? Not very. Subprime mortgages account for only about 15% of all home loans. Their influence has been way out of proportion to their numbers, because of derivatives. Here's the good news: the subprime meltdown has about run its course. These loans were resetting en masse in 2007 and the first eight months of '08. Now they're pretty much done.

    And the bad news? No one in the mainstream media seems to be asking what should be a pretty obvious question: What about loans other than subprime? Truth is, the banks didn't just trick up their subprime loans. ARMs were the order of the day - across the board.

    Now, here's that frightening graph we referred to earlier.


    Take a good, long look. You can see that from the beginning of 2007 through September of 2008, subprime loans (the gray bars above) were resetting like crazy. Those are the ones people were walking away from, sending a shockwave from defaults and foreclosures smack into the middle of the economy. Now they're gone.

    The ARM market got very quiet between December 2008 and March 2009, hitting a low that won't be seen again until November of 2011. Small wonder a few "green shoots" have poked their heads above ground. But in April, resets began to increase and will reach an intermediate peak in June. After that, they tail off a little, going basically flat for the next ten months.

    It's not until May of 2010 that the next wave really hits. From there to October of 2011, the resets will be coming fast and furious. That's 18 months of further turmoil in the housing market, and the beginning is still nearly a year away! (Although the months in between are likely to be no picnic, either.)

    While it isn't subprime ARMs that are resetting this time, neither are they prime loans. Those eligible for prime loans wisely tended to stay away from ARMs in the first place, as indicated by the relatively small space they take up on each bar.

    No, the next to go are Alt-A's (the white bars), Option ARMs (green) and Unsecuritized ARMs (blue). Alt-A's are loans to the folks who are a small step up from subprime. Unsecuritized loans are a 50-50 proposition; either the borrowers were good enough that they weren't thrown into the CDS pool, or they were so risky no one would insure them.

    Those two are bad enough. But Option ARMs are the real black sheep, loans with choices on how large a payment the borrower will make. The options include interest-only or, worse, a minimum payment that is less than interest-only, leading to "negative amortization" -- a loan balance that continually gets bigger, not smaller. Imagine what happens with those when the piper calls.

    Once the carnage begins, will it be as bad as the subprime crisis? That's the $64K question. Perhaps not. For one thing, subprime loans were a much larger chunk of the market when they started going south. For another, there's been a lot of refinancing as interest rates dropped; that should help ease the default rate. And the government has massively intervened, with measures designed to prop up those who would otherwise lose their homes.

    On the other hand, we're in a severe recession, which wasn't the case when the subprime crisis started. More people will be unable to meet payments. And the housing market has continued to decline, pressuring both marginal homeowners and banks that can't sell foreclosed properties.

    Is the stock market's next 10/9/07 on the way? Yes. Which day will it be? That's unknowable. It could be in a week, or not for another year.

    But make no mistake about it, the second crash is coming. It can't be prevented, no matter what desperate measures Obama and his hapless financial advisors come up with. All we can hope for is that, with a little luck, it won't be as severe as the first one. But it will last longer. We aren't even in the middle of the woods yet, much less on the way out.

    The order of the day is to be very defensive.
  2. Deus nostra est fortitudo.

    Learn that phrase and to apply it in your life so that you may be self-sufficient and not reliant upon any government in the troubled times that await us all.
  3. You can't argue with a graph.
  4. The data on the chart is from Jan '07, almost 2 1/2 years ago.

    I don't think it's reliable considering what has happened in just the last 8 months alone.

    I would bet the majority of those resets in 2010-2011 have either already been foreclosed or have refinanced to a much lower fixed rate.
  5. The data on the chart goes to 2012, based on resets.

  6. MattF


    no the data in the chart was derived and predicted back in January of '07.

    Not to say however I have seen similar charts that are more updated since then...and they still relatively remain the same...that option ARM's when they begin to reset will be that next 'wave' of foreclosures that will swamp things further after a lot of the storm has settled.


    -Many forbearances and modifications right now go back into default within 6 months.

    -The government "programs" have barely helped anyone in the grand scheme of numbers whether nationally or locally.

    -Job losses continue to mount (which then begin to take their affect in mortgages with missed payments at anywhere from as little to 1 for those on the cusp already to 3-6 months after said job is lost and the savings are burned up).

    -With an actual foreclosure of the house (when it's all over) taking as long in some states as 10-12 months with the backlogs, moratoriums, etc. the literal beginnings of missed payments are happening or about to happen right now. And that's not even before many may reset (as some ARM's just go up a little every so often).

    Maybe it won't be as "devastating" but will still be just as "bad."
  7. Mvic


    The option arms will be the most devastating.

    What is interesting is that now, despite the lower rate refis and the foreclosures that have already transpired and the relative reprieve in reset activity of the last few months the number of mortgages that are 30/60/90 days behind are at a record 9.12% (these do not include properties that are in the foreclosure process. twoo/dlqtd.png
  8. Have any of the mega-bears ever heard of George Soros, ever hear of what he calls "reflexivity"?

    Fundamentals influence markets, yes ... BUT Markets influence fundaments as well. By guaranteeing the debt of the financials and engineering a massive short squeeze in their stock prices , its possible that this reversal in the market can actually improve the fundamentals of the economy. Its time to start thinking about this in your analysis.

    Markets can create their own reality.
  9. Cutten


    Yeah, but that cuts both ways. Worse news ahead means it's much more likely the markets will tank and then affect confidence.
  10. My take is that the news in meaningless. Only idiots don't know its a disaster out there.

    By guaranteeing debt for every financial institution, the gov't has forestalled runs on banks and a collapse in the money supply.

    I'm not saying everything is great and we're going back to 2004. I'm saying that the end of the world deflation trade is off the table. The gubmint won't allow it and, sadly, the gubmint has the power to not allow it.

    Check out a chart of the Zimbabwe stock market - its through the roof. Do not short equities here.
    #10     May 29, 2009