The CL/NQ experiment

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Gabe2004, Nov 20, 2013.

  1. NoDoji

    NoDoji

    When I started day trading, I traded stocks, but unlike most of the guys in the chat room, I found myself trading the same stock for a period of time. I felt as if I "got to know it". Also unlike the guys in the chat room I had no scanner that threw signals for the "play of the moment". I remember a day in fall of 2008 when I traded the same stock in a range several times and made almost $1000.

    Bighog thought I should trade futures because I always complained about losing focus when watching multiple stock charts. With futs, I could focus on one or two things. But it wasn't until summer 2009 through very early 2010 that I began to understand price action trading. Once that began to take hold, I finally realized the PA concepts would allow me to trade both directions throughout the day. I didn't have to wait for price to get to some long term level, I didn't have to scan for stocks that were "in play"; I could just watch a futures chart for price action setups, several of which occurred each day.

    Futures began to make a lot more sense then: easier to focus, no wash sale rules, far less risk of a trading halt, etc.
     
    #311     Jan 22, 2014
  2. NoDoji

    NoDoji

    I usually have at least 6 trades a day but I'm a scalper. Where an intraday trend follower might hold through several retraces, or add to the winner on each retrace, I will trade the trend in several pieces. Today, for example, just before the pit open we were in a well-defined uptrend. Instead of buying and holding (or adding) throughout the day, I traded to the long side quite a few times. I had a few shorts in there, but not one of them hit a 20 tick profit target.
     
    #312     Jan 22, 2014
  3. I have a short memory so let's hope for the best in the future.

    I take my sim trading as if it was real money. I cannot explain why but that's a fact.

    His performance is consistent for well over 10 years. Unfortunately I could not assimilate his method.

    ALMOST impossible. I agree that the emotions are different but similar.
    When (and not if) I go live, it would be interesting how I would react to losses.
    I used to trade live and lost but kept posting (not here on ET)

    Thank you for your advise

    Gabe
     
    #313     Jan 22, 2014
  4. NoDoji

    NoDoji

    What factors prevented you from assimilating his method?
     
    #314     Jan 22, 2014
  5. His actual trading and what he wrote in a manual he published were different in my mind (there were some English issues as well. as an example - if X happens do Z HOWEVER if Y happens do Z. It is not a typo. Basically do the same under 2 different conditions).
    Also the rules were nested so deep (if then statement like) that the condition rarely materialized.
    I tried to program the rules but got no output.
    Yet he is very successful.
    Maybe it was only me.

    Gabe
     
    #315     Jan 22, 2014
  6. NoDoji

    NoDoji

    Hmmm...strange. Are you sure he was successful and not just claiming to be?

    FWIW, someone once told me he paid a successful trader/mentor to teach him to trade and found out very much by accident one "successful" day that the trader was sitting on badly losing positions.
     
    #316     Jan 22, 2014
  7. I was sitting in his chat room for close to 3 years and he was posting his trades with slight delays.
    Unless he had an extremely rich wife or a large inheritance, I don't know how he could support himself for all this time because he was in the room most of the day (he could have worked nights but then I would classify him as a Zombie. :)

    Gabe

    P.S. I still could not find a way to send you stuff.
     
    #317     Jan 22, 2014
  8. Todays trade and other setups that I did not take.

    Gabe
     
    #318     Jan 22, 2014
  9. foozler

    foozler

    Thank you, nodoji :)
     
    #319     Jan 22, 2014
  10. lol, you're not alone.
    I had exactly the same yesterday, trading nq and cl.
    18 trades. 16 losses. 2 winners.
    down $700 on the day.

    So far today i'm 8 trades in. 7 losers! (all CL trades.)

    Don't stress, though ;)
    If more people were honest, you'd realise you were far from alone!
     
    #320     Jan 23, 2014