"The China Price" - The best business article I have seen in years.

Discussion in 'Economics' started by SouthAmerica, May 31, 2005.

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    Drsteph: Yes, we are arrogant in the USA. But don't forget that for now, we control the game, so there is some credence to that arrogance.

    Its wonderful that you can buy a device that was manufactured to specs and technology that were designed in the USA……


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    October 25, 2006

    SouthAmerica: Reply to drsteph

    I wonder what do you mean by we control the game. China has been lending money to keep the US economy afloat to the tune of $ 1 trillion dollars – and you still have the illusion that the US controls the game.

    You also said: “Its wonderful that you can buy a device that was manufactured to specs and technology that were designed in the USA” – when the reality is all these electronic devices and technology are being developed in Taiwan by the Chinese, and the large USA companies just put its label on these devices to sell it as if they were USA technology.


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    #101     Oct 25, 2006
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    I wonder who bought from the Chinese to create that give and take (trade). Or may be the Chinese are turning themselves into a charity organization.

    And who would they dump their US treasury holdings on to, I guess it must be some dumb idiots from Mars.

    But then again what do I know.

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    #102     Oct 25, 2006
  3. Although it may break some people's hearts, the US still controls the game, for now. Why do you think the crazy North Koreans are bugging the US for one on one talks? Why not go to their friends the Chinese who have $1trillion in treasuries???

    WHY HAS THE US BECOME MORE AND MORE THE CENTER OF ATTACKS BY PEOPLE LIKE YOU SOUTH AMERICA? BECAUSE IT CONTROLS THE GAME, WHY ELSE, WOULD YOU BE POUNDING YOUR FEET. You answer this question everytime you post your looooooooooooong opinions and the sources to support them.

    In 10-20 years you'll be at it again, when China and India starts to control the game. Saying how they are going down, etc, etc.
     
    #103     Oct 26, 2006
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    Trada101: Although it may break some people's hearts, the US still controls the game, for now. Why do you think the crazy North Koreans are bugging the US for one on one talks? Why not go to their friends the Chinese who have $1trillion in treasuries???

    WHY HAS THE US BECOME MORE AND MORE THE CENTER OF ATTACKS BY PEOPLE LIKE YOU SOUTH AMERICA? BECAUSE IT CONTROLS THE GAME, WHY ELSE, WOULD YOU BE POUNDING YOUR FEET. You answer this question everytime you post your looooooooooooong opinions and the sources to support them.


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    October 28, 2006

    SouthAmerica: Reply to Trada 101

    Your postings look very similar to TaderNik – could be that traderNik created a new account under another assumed name?

    Anyway.

    The North Koreans are not bugging the US for one to one talks. The US is begging everybody in sight (including China, Japan, Russia, South Korea) for them to ask the North Koreans to go back to the 6 party talk.

    The US have been begging China, please, please, please – help us because North Korea has been saying “GET LOST” to the United States since George W. Bush took over in 2001.

    The North Koreans don’t want to talk to the US – the US is the country that has been trying very hard to bring North Korea to follow the rules imposed by the United States on other countries.

    The Chinese could care less that North Korea has a few nukes – China cares about the North Korean nukes in the same way that the United States cares about the nukes from Israel, France, UK, Russia, and so on. The US does not care even about the nukes in Pakistan where Osama Bin Ladden is staying and is considered “A Legend” and a world-class warrior.

    You asked me “why the North Koreans don’t go to their friends the Chinese” – the answer is simple all you have to do is read The New York Times of Friday, October 27, 2006 – the newspaper published an article about what is happening in an area inside China about 60 miles from where the North Koreans had their nuclear test a few weeks ago – the article said that “ nothing has changed in that area of the world - before, during or after the North Korean nuclear test – the North Koreans and the Chinese are doing business as usual as if nothing had happened. (And that is the way that should be.)

    This is a crisis created by the Bush administration and nothing else. The rest of the world have better things to do with their time than worry about the North Koreans being able to make a few nukes. (After all the United States were never able to win the Korean War in the 1950’s and today the US is looking very bad in Iraq when they are fighting just a bunch of insurgents.)

    To answer your other question: Why the US has become a center of attack from people like me” – Because I live in the United States and I have been saying for over 5 years that the US government is being run by a bunch of idiots – today we have a crew that is in charge that is destroying the foundations of this country, and they are doing so much damage to this country (not only domestically but in the international front) that the next US president (it does not matter from which party the poor guy comes from) will need a miracle to fix all the damage done during the 8 years of the Bush administration.

    Today when we want to compare the Bush administration another name comes immediately to mind: Robert Mugabe’s government in Zimbabwe, and it is hard to figure out which government is worse.

    I never imagined that it would be possible for the United States to be governed by idiots, but today all you have to do is watch the news on a daily basis, and just shake your head in disbelief – how that happened on our watch?

    If the United States still does control the game as you are trying to imply then why are we talking bout a nuclear crisis between the US and North Korea and also Iran?

    By the way, The New York Times had 2 other interesting articles today Friday, Oct 27, 2006 – the first one mentioned that the major US legal firms are starting to outsource their work to India to be able to reduce the costs that they charge their clients. If I was a major corporation I would expect for all the documentation to be very safe in Manhattan with the legal firm that is helping you on any type of litigation right here in New York – and now major companies are going to have their most sensitive information and corporate secrets shipped all the way to India?

    Who knows where all your secret information is going to end up, and how all these information it will be handled by the various parties along the way?

    The second article on The New York Times was about how New York City (Wall Street) is losing its place as the main financial center in the world.

    And you still have the illusion that the United States controls the game?

    The reality today is: the United States does not have the power, the clout, and the prestige even to elect a country such as Guatemala for a seat at the UN Security Council.


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    #105     Oct 28, 2006
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    #106     Oct 28, 2006
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    1000: please qualify "US government being run by idiots..destroying the foundations" what is your qualitative and quantitative analysis, what foundations


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    October 29, 2006

    SouthAmerica: Reply to 1000

    You have asked me to “please qualify and quantify” about everything in sight.

    Where do you want me to start with some kind proof of the existence of “God” and take from there?

    Or do you want me to start with Indian religious literature from 7,000 years ago and go from there?

    If you want just a quick answer then search my postings and you will be able to draw your conclusions from reading my postings and also my articles.

    I would have to write an encyclopedia to answer all your “please qualify and quantify” – I assume that you read at least one of the major newspapers around the world and watch some kind of global news on television, I can see that you have an internet connection since you are posting on this forum.


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    The second article on The New York Times was about how New York City (Wall Street) is losing its place as the main financial center in the world.

    1000: please qualify and quantify "main," and who is taking over, some city in South America?


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    SouthAmerica: No - It is not Acarapé a city located in the north region of the state of Ceará, Brazil (population 11,380 people) or the Bolivian city of Cobija with approximately 25,000 inhabitants or any other city in South America for that matter.

    The New York Times mentioned a number of places including London, UK and Hong Kong in Asia.

    You don’t have to worry about Hugo Chavez (Venezuela) replacing Wall Street.


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    SouthAmerica: In the last 6 years I posted a lot of information on various forums on the web including the PBS forum and I have been saying and writing about – what a bunch of incompetent idiots we have running the US government.

    A lot of people used to give me a hard time during the years about all the stuff that I have been writing, but today I mention that very seldom, since If I say anything today it will be like writing about the obvious – there are very few people in our planet that it does not know by now that the US government is being run by the most incompetent people you can find anywhere. If you don’t know that by now, then I have no idea where do you have been hiding all this time?

    Today when you say that the US government is being run by a very incompetent group of people (a bunch of idiots in my opinion) is the same as saying that the sun will rise tomorrow morning – it is an obvious statement for most people.


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    #107     Oct 29, 2006
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    SouthAmerica: Reply to 1000

    Going back to the subject of this thread – it seems to me that you are afraid of the Chinese based on your comments.

    But what is there to be afraid of the Chinese – they brought prosperity to Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, and in most places in Africa, in country after country, there economies are held from total collapse because the Chinese are there and they form the business class which keep things going. (and they do that very quietly)

    The Chinese brought prosperity to many countries around the world.


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    #108     Oct 29, 2006
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    I still find it difficult to trust the Chinese government. I may change my view, if they have a different attitude towards (or they have respect for) their own people and the environment.

    I have yet to see what positive benefits the Chinese have brought to the 3rd world, except for themselves.

    It is difficult also to comprehend why certain "old" European countries have (or have had) a negative drive towards the US, since the people are still the same (the same as the ones who saved them from the Nazis).

    Southamerica, it appears as though your "incompetent idiot" label is only so because of the increasing deficit, and a weakened dollar. And as far as Iraq is concerned, you could try blaming it on the lack of cooperation from the Europeans.

    Ask the French whether they have an "anti Republican" or an "anti American" agenda?
     
    #109     Oct 29, 2006
  10. South America the only thing that comes out of your brain that makes sense is your dislike of the Bush Administration, that's about it.

    IT's hard to believe you and I exist in the same world. North Korea is begging the US for one on one talks which closed down after Bush came to power saying they were ineffective. They've been after the US trying to blackmail them for years. Clinton tried direct talks but got nowhere, that's the reason behind Bush's policy towards North Korea (NK). Of course the US is asking the rest of the 6 party memebers to get them to cooperate, does it not make sense to you? The US wants to only deal with NK in a 6 way talk, why wouldn't they ask those other countries to help out??? Of course NK doesn't want this since they know their demands are not reasonable.

    Here read this article "N.Korea Will Change if U.S. Does" to educate yourself (and the rest of the NK related news):
    http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200607/200607180020.html

    Of course China cares of NK has nukes, it disturbs the balance of power in the region.

    You said, "The Chinese could care less that North Korea has a few nukes", good lord man you're killing me with these statements, ya really need to get your head outta that hole!

    Those NK nukes gives Japan and South Korea all the reason to ramp up their military and add nukes. Also gives the US a reason to increase their military presense in the region. Yes China would LOVE that wouldn't they??? I can't imagine what goes on in your thought process to come up with these conclusions.



    Anyway, in a later post you mention something about the Chinese bringing prosperity to several countries in south east asia. You need to be able to separte China from Chinese people. China's foreign policy has pretty much been disasters either through direct involvment or support of regimes. North Korea, Cambodia, and Vietnam, all gems right? LOL. That doesn't mean they will be better in the future, it'll just take a while. China and India, it'll take awhile but they'll eventually become world class countries.

    The Chinese people, well they are talented business folks so there's not much to say about that.

    BTW, the U.N. was stale mated in the Korean War, it wasn't the US only. And this was after the US decided not to use nukes when China entered with their million man army. Like I said, I dunno where you get your facts.

    You must suffer from the same diesease that Bush suffers from, blindness from facts and truth. Unable to see beyond your own opinions and beliefs.

    And if it makes you "feel" better, yes I'm the same dude as the guy you're acusing me of being, lol. But only if it makes you feel better. Because the truth is illrelevant for you.
     
    #110     Oct 29, 2006