The Charlie Rose Show - Israel/Iran/USA and China

Discussion in 'Politics' started by SouthAmerica, Mar 6, 2012.

  1. March 6, 2012

    SouthAmerica: We have a discussion going on the comments section of The Charlie Rose Show about the current crisis between Israel/Iran/USA and about China the new economic superpower of the 21st century.

    Charlie Rose Show – March 2, 2012
    Interview with Shimon Peres President of Israel - about the Israel/Iran current crisis.

    We also discussed China, and the biggest socio-economic revolution that the world ever saw that has been underway in China at a pace never seen before.

    Unlike the European Union, Japan, and the United States that it seems unable to move forward with its socio-economic system because it seems entangled in its own ties with the past – at the same time China has not only met but exceeded all its socio-economic goals –and this new Chinese socio-economic model were able to lift about 400 million people out of poverty in the last 20 years, and with the prospect of doing even better in the future.


    Here is an interesting map of the United States, and another of Iran: e=1&theater

  2. March 9, 2012

    SouthAmerica: I posted the following on the Charlie Rose Show on March 8, 2012.

    Charlie Rose interview with Jeffrey Goldberg and Dennis Ross about Israel/USA/Iran crisis

    March 8, 2012

    Ricardo wrote: You should not worry about Israel attacking Iran – it is just a strategy to make sure that when the United States government starts cutting their budget, they keep the gravy train coming to Israel right on schedule – this is an opportunity to sweet the “gravy train” even further for the next few years.

    It is almost a sure bet that Barack Obama will be re-elected and will be the president of the United States for the next 4 years.

    The Israelis are trying to say that the entire world cares about Israel, and that the United States is doing the right thing to keep giving all these years the unconditional support of the United States government. But when the reality is the world has been saturated of this constant Israeli crisis that it has been going on for decades, and the world is sick and tired of this problem, since there are more important things happening around the world.

    I can imagine how the private conversations between U.S. President Barack Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu went behind close doors. Here is how I think the conversation went:

    U.S. President Barack Obama (Obama) probably opened the conversation by saying to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (Netanyahu): “everything is spinning out of control in the Middle East right now, and we look to the world like a bunch of fools who are completely clueless about everything we do regarding the countries of the Middle East. We are helping to destabilize the government of Syria, and even that is not going the way we want. And the last thing we need is another major screw up regarding Iran.

    We need you to cool off your rhetoric right now regarding Iran, besides this is a presidential election year, and we can't afford for gas prices to skyrocket in 2012.

    Netanyahu: O.K., I see that you got the point that we are trying to make – just look around to the damage that our rhetoric it has been inflicting for many months to the collapsing European economy, to the US economy, and to the world economy in general; our rhetoric about attacking Iran it has worked one more time and oil prices have gone up even though global demand for oil has been going down.

    Can you imagine what would happen to the price of oil if Israel was stupid enough to attack Iran?

    It is good that you grasped what would happen to your re-election efforts, and the damage that skyrocketing oil prices would do to the global economy – just to clarify a little more for you: we are talking about the global economy imploding into a black hole resulting in a lot worse Great Depression than the one that the world had in the 1930's.

    Did you grasped the entire picture? We are talking here about economic armageddon.

    Now that you got the picture, let's negotiate how much will be included on the “gravy train” for the next 4 years, and make sure that the “gravy train” keeps its regular delivery schedule regarding Israel.

    It is a win-win situation for the United States and for Israel; you get re-elected here in the old USA and oil prices starts going down right now without the Israeli threat of attacking Iran.

    The timing was perfect for us to bring back the old strategy regarding attacking Iran, we guaranty that the “gravy train” will continue coming from the old USA for 4 more years, and I guess the Iranians also don't mind about this oil embargo business, and so on, since that worked perfect for the Iranians in every way.

    The Iranians have been getting a much higher oil price for their supply, and they are laughing all the way to the bank. The embargo also helped them to get rid off many of the European countries that had no money to pay for their monthly oil bill, because they are all going bankrupt. And at the same time the embargo did free this new supply of oil that Iran can sell at a better price to the Asian countries, and actually they can get paid on time, and India is even willing to pay for the new oil with gold instead of euros or US dollars.

    Note: In the old days, this type of activity it was called a blackmail, but in today's world it is a negotiation.

    In a nutshell: at the end of the day, the entire Israel/USA/Iran crisis it is all about money, oil prices and greed.

  3. Your next door neighbor has a right within his own private property to buy ten sniper rifles if he chooses to.
    And he especially has a right to buy 10 sniper rifles IF YOU ALREADY HAVE 200 sniper rifles. :/

    Iran has a right to build nukes because Israel already has them along with every great power.
    Now to make you really stop and think. They don't even have evidence Iran is building 1 sniper rifle (nuke)

    You don't have a right to stage a pre-emptive war just as you don't have a right to come to my house and punch me in the face because you supposedly believe that I will punch you first.

    LEGIT WAR is war of Defense, not Offense.

    If wars of Offense were legit, governments would not have to stage false flags

    If you stand for war with Iran, You stand against the United States economy, stability, peace, democracy, humanity, morality.
    I hope you warmongers believe in God, because it will be that much harder for you to face him when you meet him one day.

    Foolish atheists have a good excuse, they will tell God, holy crap we didn't know, What will you tell God for the deaths and suffering you advocated.

    Even worse, some people say God is a non nonsense kind a guy when it comes to profound evil. Your life is a test, are you failing right now ?

  4. You are knew to this forum, but before you go any further with your comments, you should read the information in the following thread on this subject that it has been going on for the last 6 years:

    The United States is planning to attack Iran with Nuclear Weapons

    You are going to find out that I am in favor of letting Iran build its nuclear weapons for Iran to be able to defend itself against all these foreign military threats.

    You also going to find out that I have been saying for a long time that it is crazy for Israel and USA to attack Iran because of its nuclear technology program.

  5. Iran could use nuclear weapons and to hand them off to its surrogates, Hezbollah or Hamas. Another way would be for a terrorist group, such as al Qaeda, to get its hands on Iranian nuclear material. It could do so with the consent of Iran or by working with rogue elements within the Iranian regime.

    Finally, Iran could use its nuclear weapons without ever detonating a bomb. By constantly threatening Israel with nuclear annihilation, it could engender so much fear among Israelis as to incite mass immigration, a brain drain, or a significant decline in people moving to Israel.


    How do you respond to this?
  6. *****

    March 9, 2012

    SouthAmerica: Reply to nutmeg

    Your question shows that you don't know the difference between the Sunnis and Shiites and their organizations.

    First, Hezbollah or Hamas are Shiite organizations and they are associated in one or another with Iran.

    Second. Al Qaeda and the Osama Bin Laden followers are Sunnis.

    I don't know if you are aware of the fact that Pakistan is ruled by the Sunnis and Pakistan has over 100 nuclear warheads.

    Pakistan is a safe haven for the Al Qaeda group, and if they are going to get a few nukes, they are going to get from Pakistan and not Iran.

    And please don't forget that for many generals in Pakistan Osama Bin Laden it is considered a legend and a hero, and they also sympathize with Al Qaeda.

    The reality is: there's 1,000 times more of a chance for a threat of a nuclear annihilation of Israel from Pakistan than from Iran.

    You said: “it could engender so much fear among Israelis as to incite mass immigration, a brain drain, or a significant decline in people moving to Israel.”

    Then they should pack their bags ASAP, and move to New York City, and to Texas in the old USA, since Americans would not mind this new immigration from Israel to the USA. (Exodus that is a good word to use here)

    Regarding the rhetoric from Iran that they are going to annihilate Israel – that is good for business for both countries, because that rhetoric help to move up the price of oil, and the Iranians laugh all the way to the bank with a ton of extra cash.

    It is good also for Israel, because that serve to justify the “gravy train” that goes every years from the United States to Israel.

    Both Iran and Israel knows how to play that game very well, and they take the Americans for a ride every time.

    And the United States falls once again for the same old story every time, Israel and Iran have fined tuned over the years this strategy to a science.

    I would not be surprised to find out that Israel and Iran coordinate on a regular basis between themselves whose turn it's to make the threat to the other country, since that strategy is a win-win strategy for both countries.

  7. March 11, 2012

    SouthAmerica: Here is what I posted on the Charlie Rose Show interview with Christine Lagarde:

    Charlie Rose interview Christine Lagarde on March 8, 2012


    Gelles, I was watching various programs on television this Sunday morning, and everybody was discussing when Israel is going to attack Iran to destroy their nuclear capabilities.

    That shows to the world that the United States is completely out of touch with reality and with what is important to the rest of the world.

    Today the United States is the laughing stock of the world, since the perception that the rest of the world has regarding the US foreign policy can be summarized in one word: clueless.

    No wonder nobody is listening to the United States anymore, and the United States is losing all its prestige, clout, and is completely discredit around the world.

    If you watch TV programs of the US mainstream media, the talking heads and their guests spin everything according to their agenda, and not about what is really happening in reality in the United States and around the world.

    I not surprised that the US mainstream media is becoming obsolete so fast, and nobody with any brain pays attention to what these people say anymore. The major newspapers and magazines are going bankrupt, because they become irrelevant and dinosaurs.

    If someone tries to say something of substance then he/she gets fired almost immediately such as Pat Buchanan and Judge Napolitano. Here is what Pat Buchanan said over the weekend:

    Pat Buchanan 300 nukes in Israel yet Iran a threat – March 10, 2012

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    Islamic wars have brought questionable benefit to the US over the last 20 years, former US presidential advisor Pat Buchanan, author of Suicide of a Superpower, shared with RT.

    A new war in the Middle East will be a disaster for the US and for the world economy, he says. "I opposed the Desert Storm operation in 1991 cleaning Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait because, I said, 'This would only be the first Arab-American war.'" Looking at the number of conflicts in the Islam world that America is taking part in now, one cannot but admit that Buchanan was right 20 years ago. "You cannot replicate the Middle West in the Middle East," Pat Buchanan concluded.

    From the time of the Cold War the US has military bases all over the world. Today, running a budget deficit of 10 per cent of its GDP, America simply cannot afford to continue "to carry this enormous burden, defending 40 or 50 countries around the world," Buchanan says, "We have to bring troops home." Getting rid of these bases essentially means dismantling the American Empire to help the US survive beyond 2025. America's crusade under the banner of ending tyranny in the world is "utterly utopian".


    As I mentioned to you the foreign media laughs about the United States foreign policy on a regular basis and they show over and over again how clueless the United States is regarding its policies about the Middle East.

    I guess “Dumb and Dumber” are in charge of foreign policy in Washington D.C.

    Here is an example:

    Pepe Escobar: US and NATO don't care that Libya is splintered – March 9, 2012

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    Tribal leaders in the Eastern region of Libya have proclaimed their area a new state which will come with its own parliament and police force. But Libya's National Transitional Council has said it will do everything in its power to keep the country together and the NTC leader is even willing to use military force. So as Libya struggles to keep its stability why would the US consider intervening in Syria? Pepe Escobar, an Asia Times correspondent, joins us with his take.


    As the US mainstream media beats to death what is important for the future of the United States; if Israel is going to attack Iran.

    The rest of the world is moving into the future, to the world of the 21st century, and a process is developing very fast where the international monetary system is splitting into two pieces:

    1) The old dinosaurs (old Europe, and old United States) will continue putting out the old fires of the past in an effort to keep the old structure going of a world long gone.

    2) The BRICS with almost half the population of the world, and where the real action is regarding the financial and economic development in the coming years move forward into the future into the world of the 21st century.


    Gelles, this is a preview of things that are in the pipeline for the United States in the coming months:

    Associated Press - Sunday, March 11, 2012
    Large demonstrations in 60 cities across Spain protest government’s austerity measures

    MADRID — Hundreds of thousands of people in 60 cities across Spain took part Sunday in demonstrations called by the country’s main trade unions to protest the government’s tough new labor reforms and cutbacks.

    The rallies are the unions’ first trial of strength before a general strike called for March 29 to oppose the recently approved reforms and austerity measures.


    Gelles, if you have a chance check out this video - the discussion on this video provides a lot of important information about the global economy and who are the puppet masters behind the scene.

    David Icke: Rothschilds Control The World – March 8, 2012

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    David identifies the real power; the mostly British based Rothschild family, estimated fortune $270 Trillion. The most powerful family in the world who rule by control over the worlds economy through their family and puppets like the Warbergs Schifs, Kuhn, Loeb, Goldman-Sachs and Rockefellers.

    The Rothschilds control the international media through ownership of Reuters, AP (Associated Press) and many media interests. Hollywood through ownership of Viacom, Disney and other groups, and excercise social and political control through the many thousands of think-tanks, so-called 'human rights' orgs and community orgs they either started or fund all the way from the UN, Trilateral commission, CFR, Bilderberg, the control of all major Western political parties and parliaments, and they reserve the final say above all parliaments, senate and congress over issues such as mass-immigration, globalist and internationalist union and the legal systems of the West.

  8. Iran and Syria are clear and present imminent threats to humanity. We must get em NOW, before they get us.

    God bless Israel and the USA.
  9. The reality for most countries from around the world is:

    Israel and the USA are clear and present imminent threats to humanity.

    The United States is the country with over 800 military bases around the world, and their sidekick Israel thinks they have the right to go around the world assassinating people as they choose.

  10. A reminder: here is a brief history of the United States>

    A Brief History of the United States of America

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    #10     Mar 11, 2012