The CDC's New 'Best Estimate' Implies a COVID-19 Infection Fatality Rate Below 0.3%

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Tsing Tao, May 27, 2020.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    How nice -- data from scientists in Iran shows the IFR is 0.26%. While data from the U.S., Italy, Spain, and France show a much higher IFR.
     
    #11     May 28, 2020
  2. LS1Z28

    LS1Z28

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html
    The CDC estimates that 35.5 million U.S. citizens caught the flu during the 2018-19 flu season. This resulted in an estimated 34,200 deaths. That comes out to an infection fatality rate just below 0.1%. If you look at the same statistics from 2017-18, the IFR is just above 0.1%.

    Based off these estimates, COVID-19 is around 3X deadlier than the seasonal flu. You have to take into account the fact that we don't have a vaccine for COVID-19 though. That makes it much deadlier, because it can move through the population with very little resistance.
     
    #12     May 28, 2020
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Yes... and once again the CFR of the seasonal flu is being confused with the IFR -- -the CDC and other health organizations have lots of other information on how both are calucalted for the seasonal flu and their values. I posted all of this before. The problem with the seasonal flu is that even their CFR (which is given here as an IFR) is based on projections rather than proper case data.
     
    #13     May 28, 2020
  4. LS1Z28

    LS1Z28

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/how-cdc-estimates.htm
    CDC uses a mathematical model to estimate the numbers of influenza illnesses, medical visits, hospitalizations, and deaths in the United States, as well as, the impact of influenza vaccination on these numbers.

    I understand the difference between CFR & IFR. The CDC estimates I quoted are based off of a mathematical model the CDC uses to estimate the total number of infections & deaths annually.
     
    #14     May 28, 2020
  5. jem

    jem

    wow you are a fearful piece of shit...

    I brought up the worst case scenario from NYC discussed in the article you posted.

    and scenario 5.


    Do you even know Iran's data is in Scenario 5?

    Nope... you don't do you.




     
    #15     May 28, 2020
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's read it again... so you can avoid continuing to have reading comprehension problems. We will start with the NYC numbers compared to the worse case scenario of the 5 in the "Pandemic Planning" study":

    "In the CDC’s deadliest scenario, the infection fatality rate for the virus is about 0.8%. But in New York City, an estimated 0.86% to 0.93% of all people who got sick died, according to two preliminary analyses of available data, including a recent antibody survey that provided the best estimate yet of the total number of residents who have been infected. Those figures would put the death rate in the city — hit with the most lethal outbreak in the US, with at least 16,600 COVID-19 deaths to date — beyond the CDC’s worst-case scenario."

    You can read all the references to the Iranian scientists in the article as well.
     
    #16     May 28, 2020
  7. jem

    jem

    let's review why I have to tell you, you are so full of shit on just about every reply you make to me.
    you are not correcting me... you are actually confirming what I wrote...

    jem said:
    even in the worst case scenario which is NYC ....
    IFR still below 1. And there are no clusters like NYC happening any more.

     
    #17     May 28, 2020
  8. LS1Z28

    LS1Z28

    NYC is an anomaly. They're one of the few places in our country that forced nursing homes & assisted living facilities to take COVID-19 patients. That's why their fatality rates are higher than the rest of the country.
     
    #18     May 28, 2020
  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    So are all of Spain, Italy, and France anomalies as well...

    "In Spain, a massive antibody survey of more than 60,000 people put its overall fatality rate at around 1.1% to 1.3%. In Italy, researchers estimate that 1.2% of all cases have resulted in death, and in France, 0.8%."
     
    #19     May 28, 2020
  10. LS1Z28

    LS1Z28

    CFR by country:
    US - 5.8%
    Spain - 9.6%
    Italy - 14.3%
    France - 15.6%

    These three European countries appear to be statistical anomalies, because their fatality rates are much higher than average. I haven't studied them closely enough to form an opinion on why their fatality rates are so high. I have read though that half of their deaths occurred in nursing homes & assisted living facilities. So they probably made the same fatal mistake that New York made by forcing these places to take COVID-19 patients.
     
    #20     May 28, 2020