The calendar spread

Discussion in 'Options' started by TheBigShort, Jun 7, 2018.

  1. sle

    sle

    Last I checked, he was still in the NYC and had only one wife :)

    You can start looking at fairness of the term structure by looking at the relationship between realized and forward implied vol, for example
     
    #11     Jun 8, 2018
  2. TheBigShort

    TheBigShort

    @Secret Santa Glad to here he's doing well, however I prefer the other story. If we look at NVDA here. Front month IV is at 2 year lows. If we look at the relationship between IV and HV using the term structure. WE can see it is cheap BUT the SLOPE of the current term structure is relatively low vs historical. Im going to do a LONG NVDA short NQ straddle at the close today but I would really like to initiate a calendar, I just don't know how I should structure it. Maybe there is not even a term structure trade here.
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    #12     Jun 8, 2018


    • TSLA earnings would be a good example.
    • The options were priced for about a 8% move - next earnings will be the same.
    • Lets put TSLA at $300.00 before earnings.

    • The trader is bullish and expects TSLA to go up after earnings and the weeks after.
    • Earnings are on Wednesday.
    • Sell the $320.00 calls that expire Friday.
    • Buy the $320.00 calls that expire a few weeks later.
    • The debit will be relative low for the long position.
    • Ideally the short calls would expire worthless with TSLA around $320.00 after earnings.
    • TSLA then continues up in the following weeks.
     
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    #13     Jun 8, 2018
  3. ironchef

    ironchef

    Great thought process, reminded me of folks betting against subprime back in 2007-8-9.:thumbsup:
     
    #14     Jun 10, 2018
  4. spindr0

    spindr0

    Here's an atypical use for a calendar.

    Suppose there's a looming binary event (clinical trials?). Large move expected. Direction unknown. IV is huge across all strikes. Sell the calendar.

    Large IV contraction wins.
    Big move wins.
    No move and no IV contraction loses.
    Delay of announcement loses.
     
    #15     Jun 10, 2018
  5. TheBigShort

    TheBigShort

    But if the front vol increases by more than square root time wouldn't it make sense to long the calendar?

    Nice calendar trade today. MPC JULY 20/27. For .35. Earnings are on the 26th. A little bit of vol today causing the July 20 to push above the July 27.
     
    #16     Jun 11, 2018

  6. Checking the quotes not much going on. Looks like a small increase in the July 27.

    MPC at $77.88

    • July 06 80.00 call ask $1.40
    • July 13 80.00 call ask $1.70
    • July 20 80.00 call ask $1.99
    • July 27 80.00 call ask $2.52
    • Aug 17 80.00 call ask $2.94

    During the week of earnings you could sell the July 27 80.00 call and buy the August 17 80.00 call - if you are mildly bullish. Strikes depend on what MPC is trading at.
     
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    #17     Jun 11, 2018
  7. TheBigShort

    TheBigShort

    Mpc expected earnings in July 26. The July 20/27 is .35. I got filled. When they confirm that calendar should go to $1. MPC usually implies a 4% earnings move which confirms our theory.
     
    #18     Jun 11, 2018

  8. Which strike?
     
    #19     Jun 11, 2018
  9. TheBigShort

    TheBigShort

    77.5
     
    #20     Jun 11, 2018