The Border Crisis on Steroids

Discussion in 'Politics' started by TreeFrogTrader, Mar 14, 2021.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Look who's going to Gitmo...

     
    #441     Sep 23, 2021
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

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    #442     Sep 23, 2021
  3. Lady Clairol Psaki was directly asked if Biden had ever been to the border, not just as president but ever.

    Her reply was that we had to remember that "we inherited a broken process."

    So is that a NO or a MAYBE or what?

    She is correct in one regard though: Trump left no plan for processing hundreds of thousands of illegals into the country to be relocated in your town. No, that was not even a goal.

    If Kamala wants to know what the root cause of the surge in migrants is. The answer is JOE BIDEN AND KAMALA HARRIS. Most likely we wont see her put it in those terms. Climate change and Donald Trump seem to be the leading causes so far.
     
    #443     Sep 23, 2021

  4. There was a news story on CNN about climate change causing a surge in immigrants flocking to the border. They were focused on Guatemala and interviewing some poor farmers living in a dirt floored shack with children and their corn was all dry due to lack of water/drought at that time. They talked about drought and then massive flooding. Then tugged on the heart strings that these people had to leave and treck 500 miles because the U.S. was the only place possible for them to go.

    It was a really poorly done story trying to make some major link between climate change and the need for people to come to the southern border all the way from Guatemala.

    First, Guatemala is constantly going through periods of drought and inundations of water. Half the country is rolling green hills of corn fields and the other is desert like mountains Hurricanes have also hit Guatemala, so that is nothing new.

    Second, what the fuck..... how about the Guatemalan government with USAID go in and give the kind of assistance U.S. farmers get. Irrigation, sprinkler, water hook ups, better equipment, etc... Rather than watch people starve and force them to make 500 mile journeys owing money to smugglers and risking their lives, simply direct aid to those poor areas of the country. People are living in a shack, let places like Habitat for Humanity show them how to make small cement homes and bring in electricity and water. People wont rush to leave if they had food and a place to live.

    Third, the reporters were mis translating what the people were saying. As a Spanish speaker I hate when a reporter interviews people and then tries to generalize what the person said in Spanish and misses the point. the farmer interviewed never said anything about climate change or some other shit but the story was alreayd focused on that so it had to fit the narrative.

    It would be way cheaper to address Guatemala's poverty issue because they dont have the same exact crime and gang issues you see in El Salvador. Half the population of Guatemala does not even speak Spanish and live in pvoerty as native people of the land farming or selling shit in markets.

    CNN was so buys trying to sell one specific narrative rather than talk about simply a drought causing increases in famine in Gautemala and the local government underperforming in addressing it. the answer is not send them all north.
     
    #444     Sep 23, 2021
  5. Mercor

    Mercor

    As a general rule the Earth has been warming since the last ice age 10,000 years ago, and humans thrived…trying to pick the point where getting to warm will reverse this is like picking a market top
     
    #445     Sep 23, 2021
  6. Snarkhund

    Snarkhund

    3 countries in central America are complete and hopeless basket-cases. Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador. Nicaragua is not far behind.

    It would cost next-to-nothing to help improve agriculture and drainage in those place and would go a long way towards preventing them migrating in the first place.
     
    #446     Sep 23, 2021
  7. With the caveat in advance that there is no punchline in what I will say, I say this:

    One of the great dilemmas in assisting places like Haiti, and the Central American countries (and everywhere but those are nearby countries where we have been at it for years) is the decades old issue of whether it is better to offer aid, funding, and assistance through the local governments or though NGO's. The argument for NGO's of course is you can better control direct delivery of services and tech assistance rather than have it siphoned off by corruption. The argument against NGO's playing the lead role is that it does not build local government capacity, leadership, continuity, "hand-off" possibilities, etc. And round and round we go. And of course it is not all that simple either- because lots of NGO's are just ATM's for various external parties (think Haiti and the Clinton Foundation) and lots of local governments do good work, or beneficial work anyway with the funds. So the challenge is to find the right or a better model or oversight.

    As I have said in about three prior posts, aside from my well-known issues with Kamala, I find her comments and approach to be "very retro". That is term I used, referring to the fact that is just the same-old same old where she plans to - and now has- just send a pantload of money to local dictators or officials because she thinks she is the first to highlight that people are coming north due to poverty, violence, better life in the U.S, corrupt governments, etc. Retro, retro, retro. We have decades of that understanding. We ship the big bucks to them and then discover that corruption ate it all up and life for intended people has just gotten worse. I just can't do it anymore. It doesn't work for anyone except the dictators.

    That's a long winded way of saying, I hear ya. And my issues with Kamala are there but they do not cause me to throw the baby out with the bath water. If the current administration showed me a clean model, and then that is what gets my attention. I am not beyond supporting agriculture and other economic ventures but I will not sign up for the old model of sending bucks to dictators. It may be Kamala's first time at the rodeo for thinking about some of this but most people over the age of ten already identify the reasons she cites. There also needs to be elements of Trump's approach in that we send money and aid but the numbers of immigrants need to actually drop in order to get more funding. So you Mr. Country Leader, need to go off make sure that happens. Whether you are paying off cartels or actually stopping people from passing through your country, whatever. You get to work your local magic. Just make sure the numbers go down, and we will keep your more fluffy economic and humanitarian aid flowing.
     
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    #447     Sep 23, 2021
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  8. BORDER CZAR KAMALA HARRIS SWINGS INTO ACTION AS THE SOUTHERN BORDER AND AMERICAN SOVEREIGNTY DISINTEGRATE!!!!!!!!!!

    Yup. She heads out for The View today to bitch about and demonize Border Patrol. Wayy to go shiite for brains.

    No one has done more to promote rape, human trafficking, and sex trafficking in Western Hemisphere in recent history than Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.


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    #448     Sep 24, 2021
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  9. To be fair.. if Trump, Pence, Biden or Harris go to the border it is just a photo op.... why do any of them have to go when it is all over the news and staff can report on it.

    people only care if an of them go for optics but going there and waving and handing out paper towels or children's books does not really do anything if they go back and then ignore it
     
    #449     Sep 24, 2021
  10. There are no people living under that bridge. Your eyes are once again lying to you, the Biden Ministry of Truth says so.
     
    #450     Sep 24, 2021