The Border Crisis on Steroids

Discussion in 'Politics' started by TreeFrogTrader, Mar 14, 2021.

  1. UsualName

    UsualName

    Don’t get a third dose or whatever. Who really cares? It has already been explained don’t complain when you are denied services and entry and such.

    As to illegals, they are being turned around at record rates because of then pandemic. The problem is not illegal aliens, it’s large crowds of people not taking appropriate preventive measures and unvaccinated people walking around like they are vaccinated.
     
    #401     Aug 12, 2021
  2. Show me one post where I wrote Trump didn't lose. I have many acknowledging he did. It's those with TDS who keep saying that about everyone with a complaint against the Biden administration.
     
    #402     Aug 12, 2021
  3. Wallet

    Wallet

    Forty percent of migrants released in Texas border city test positive for COVID-19, officials say
    By Anna Giaritelli
    August 11, 2021 - 5:24 PM


    AUSTIN, Texas — The city of Laredo, Texas, has refused to take in migrants who have been bused in from elsewhere on the border after discovering 40% of them tested positive for the coronavirus, according to two local government officials.

    “That was very high,” Laredo Mayor Pete Saenz said in an interview, referring to the infection rate among migrants dropped off by the Border Patrol last week. Laredo health authority, Dr. Victor Trevino, confirmed the numbers.

    The 40% infection rate is the highest known positivity rate along the U.S.-Mexico border. Last week, McAllen, Texas, reported a 15% positivity rate among migrants released from custody.

    Concerned that migrants arriving in Laredo would further strain hospital resources, Laredo officials contracted private bus companies to transport migrants arriving from the Rio Grande Valley to larger cities across the state. By not admitting migrants on the McAllen buses, the city is not required to test them for the coronavirus and could forward the families elsewhere. Those who test positive cannot travel and must be quarantined for 10 days, a situation Saenz wanted to evade to avoid migrant overflow.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...als-40-of-migrants-test-positive-for-covid-19
     
    #403     Aug 12, 2021
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Fact check: Are migrants causing the spike in COVID cases?
    https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/fact-check-are-migrants-causing-the-spike-in-covid-cases/19823712/

    In North Carolina, some local school board members are tying the rise in COVID cases on immigrants who are crossing the southern border.

    The comments come as school leaders consider mask requirements and other health protocols for the fall semester.

    In Union County, located southeast of Charlotte, school board members won’t require students or employees to wear masks to start the school year. Board member Gary Sides said he received emails from parents concerned that schools won’t be following the latest recommendations from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    Sides addressed those questions in the board’s Aug. 3 meeting, saying he has a “trust issue” with the federal government.

    “If you’ve been following the news, you know that our southern borders — Texas, Arizona, southern parts of California — are basically open,” Sides said about 1 hour and 55 minutes into this video, adding later: “If this isn’t a super spreader event, I don’t know what is.”

    He concluded by saying: “So, if our government is not going to address” the immigration issue, “then I have a hard time believing what they’re instructing the rest of us to do.”

    A day earlier, Cabarrus County school board vice chairman Tim Furr said something similar:

    “Until this government (stops) letting illegal aliens in by the thousands, coming across this border without masks with COVID, putting them on buses and sending them all over the United States, we’re just beating our heads against a wall, because these numbers are going to continue to rise.”

    Local and national media reported on both men’s comments.

    So are they right about the border and immigrants driving an increase in COVID cases?

    No. PolitiFact recently addressed this theory about cases at the national level. PolitiFact North Carolina found no evidence to substantiate them at the state level, or even in the board members’ home counties.

    Border policy
    Sides said the border is “basically open.” Those comments, which aren’t true, echo those of Republicans in higher office.

    Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis accused President Joe Biden of causing the current coronavirus surge because he “imported more virus from around the world by having a wide open southern border.” PolitiFact rated DeSantis’ claim False, while also addressing some misconceptions about Biden’s current border policy.

    Border encounters have skyrocketed since January, but it’s inaccurate for Sides to say they’re “basically open.”

    While the Biden administration has allowed certain groups of migrants to file for immigration protection, it’s also turning away most people under a public health law that Vox described as an extension of “one of Trump’s most anti-immigrant policies.”

    In June alone, Border Patrol tallied 103,014 expulsions under the law exercised by Trump, known as Title 42. Human Rights Watch says the rule illegally blocks refugees from their right to seek asylum, and the ACLU recently announced that it is taking the Biden Administration to court.

    In fact, one reason border apprehensions are up is because people are attempting to cross multiple times and failing, Nicole Hallett, a professor and director of the Immigrants’ Rights Clinic at the University of Chicago Law School, told PolitiFact in July.

    "It is simply not true that the border is ‘wide open’ for ‘illegal aliens’ to cross," Hallett said. "Customs and Border Protection apprehend individuals attempting to cross between border checkpoints. The border is more secure than ever before. Fewer people are able to cross illegally without being apprehended than at any time in the past."

    Immigration a ‘super spreader?’
    Sides said Biden’s immigration policy is a “super spreader event.

    There’s no concrete definition for a “super spreader event.” However, they tend to feature a crowd of people in a small indoor space. Experts also use the term to describe events where one person infects an unusually high number of people. For example, one person at a choir practice in Washington infected 32 of the 61 people who attended.

    Experts told PolitiFact it’s fair for people to be concerned about the virus spreading among those living in tight quarters, such as migrant detention centers or prisons. They said some migrants may even be contributing to COVID-19 caseloads.


    "But given the extensive transmission already in the U.S., the immigration contribution is akin to pouring a bucket of water into a swimming pool,"
    William Schaffner, a professor of preventive medicine at Vanderbilt University, told PolitiFact for its check of DeSantis. "It’s hard to measure and pretty trivial."

    Experts say there’s no proof that immigrants are responsible for surges in cases across the country. In fact, it’s very difficult to track where they go after entering the U.S., said Aaron Reichlin-Melnick, policy counsel at the American Immigration Council.

    “There is no such data source” tracking where migrants go, he said. “They’re going to a wide variety of different locations and the government has privacy rules, so they can’t just give out addresses.”

    It’s also wrong for Sides to say migrants aren’t screened for COVID-19, which he claims about 1 hour and 57 minutes into this video.

    Customs and Border Protection told PolitiFact in April that immigrants are screened for symptoms or risk factors associated with COVID-19. The agency said people presumed to be sick with COVID-19 are sent to local health systems for testing, diagnosis and treatment.

    The agency reiterated those practices in a recent statement to the Washington Post. A CBP spokesperson said migrants are given personal protective equipment the moment they are taken into custody and that they’re required to wear face masks “at all times.”

    “If anyone exhibits signs of illness in CBP custody, they are referred to local health systems for appropriate testing, diagnosis, and treatment,” the statement says. “CBP takes its responsibility to prevent the spread of communicable diseases very seriously. We value our partners in local communities whose work is critical to moving individuals safely out of CBP/USBP custody and through the appropriate immigration pathway.”

    Migrants may actually be one of the most-tested groups in the country, Reichlin-Melnick said.

    “Nearly every immigrant who is encountered and released gets COVID tested because they’re released to nonprofit organizations,” he said. “The nonprofits test everybody because they can’t accept someone into their shelter if they have a positive COVID test.”

    Despite being tested frequently, “the data is pretty clear: Migrants are not testing positive at any higher rate,” Reichlin-Melnick said.

    Experts pointed out that, if the theory about immigrants were correct, cities along the southern border would likely have disproportionately higher COVID rates than the rest of the country. But that’s not the case.

    There’s “no increase in COVID-19 cases in areas (around the) border where migrants cross or where they go after crossing,” David Wohl, a physician who studies infectious diseases at UNC, told PolitiFact NC.

    More obvious to (almost) any objective observer is that this is scapegoating and conflation of two different issues that have become very political,” Wohl said.

    Arthur Caplan, director of the division of medical ethics at the New York University Grossman School of Medicine, told PolitiFact the same thing in an interview for the recent check of DeSantis.

    "The pattern of distribution of coronavirus cases does not correspond in any way to immigrant movement," Caplan said.


    Cases in North Carolina

    It’s important to note that COVID cases are rising in North Carolina and across the U.S. because of delta variant infections in unvaccinated people. (Gov. Roy Cooper relayed that analysis from doctors during his most recent press briefing. And experts echoed that message in interviews with PolitiFact NC.)

    Whether those North Carolinians are U.S. citizens is not something the Health and Human Services Department tracks.

    So it would be difficult for Sides to prove migrants are responsible for large COVID-19 outbreaks in North Carolina. (Under our rating process, the burden is on the politician or speaker to prove his claim. In this case, Sides didn’t respond to our questions.) Gov. Roy Cooper’s office has “no information” to support the claims by Furr and Sides, spokeswoman Mary Scott Winstead told PolitiFact NC.

    North Carolina does track demographic data such as race and ethnicity that could, in theory, point to migrants as the cause of any major outbreak. But currently, that’s not what the data suggests.

    According to DHHS data, the state’s non-Hispanic population makes up for 81% of total cases while its Hispanic population accounts for roughly 19%. (For context, Hispanic people are about 10% of North Carolina’s population)

    In the week of Aug. 1, the state recorded 14,223 cases among non-Hispanic people. It recorded 2,028 among Hispanic people and counted 8,662 cases for which demographic data wasn’t available.

    A caveat: the state doesn’t have demographic information for every positive COVID case. Sometimes the infected person doesn’t disclose their race or ethnicity. But it has ethnicity information for most cases, and the data show that non-Hispanic people have accounted for a majority of cases each week of the calendar year.

    Rachel Graham, who teaches in the epidemiology department at UNC’s Gillings School of Global Public Health, says it’s possible the case numbers disproportionately represent people who have lifestyles that allow them to get tested for COVID-19 and take off work.

    Still, Graham said there’s “no evidence” to support Sides’ claim, referring to it as political “flame-throwing.”

    In Sides’ home county, statistics aren’t much different from state-level data.

    In Union County, Hispanic people account for 28% of cases while non-hispanic people account for 72% of cases. The week of Aug. 1, the state counted 321 cases among non-Hispanic people, 73 cases among Hispanic people and 233 cases with missing information. Hispanic people make up 11.5% of Union County’s population.

    Our ruling
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    Sides said the border is “basically open” and causing a “super spreader event,” also casting immigrants as a key reason COVID cases are rising.

    The border is not “basically open.” Border Patrol is turning away most people who attempt to enter the country.

    Meanwhile, there’s no evidence to support the theory that immigrants are the primary cause of increasing COVID cases. National trends show spikes in communities far from the border, and North Carolina data shows that most cases are among non-hispanics.

    We rate their claims False.
     
    #404     Aug 13, 2021
  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    No, the surge in Covid cases across the U.S. is not due to migrants or immigrants
    "There is a very long history in the United States, sadly ... trying to blame outsiders for diseases and there isn’t any evidence," medical ethicist Arthur Caplan said.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/no-surge-covid-cases-us-not-due-migrants-immigrants-rcna1656

    As the delta variant contributes to a surge of Covid-19 cases around the United States, different voices have emerged blaming people entering the country — in particular, migrants crossing the U.S. border — for the spread.

    Among the most vocal are Republican Govs. Greg Abbott in Texas and Ron DeSantis in Florida.

    Abbott has repeatedly blamed undocumented immigrants for the rise in Covid-19 cases in the state and issued an executive order to limit the transport of migrants in Texas who may transmit the virus. The Justice Department called the order "dangerous and unlawful"; a judge temporarily blocked it.

    DeSantis, for his part, blamed President Joe Biden for importing the virus from around the world “by having a wide open southern border.”

    “You have over 100 different countries where people are pouring through,” DeSantis said Aug. 4. “Not only are they letting them through, they’re then farming them out all across our communities across this country, putting them on planes, putting them on buses.”

    Iowa Republican Gov. Kim Reynolds voiced a similar view in late July, claiming that while Americans grapple with Covid restrictions, there are "people coming across the border that haven’t been vaccinated."

    Last week, while discussing the possibility of ordering the use of masks in schools, members of school boards from two counties in North Carolina accused undocumented immigrants of causing the increase in Covid-19 cases in the country, The Charlotte Observer reported.

    In addition, about one-third of unvaccinated citizens believe foreigners traveling to the U.S. are the cause of the increase in coronavirus infections, according to an Axios-Ipsos survey published Aug. 3.

    But there's no evidence to support these types of accusations. While it is true that people entering the country without permission could be contributing to the overall number of Covid-19 cases — as has been the case recently in McAllen, Texas — experts believe the impact of these cases does not make a difference in the American health situation.

    Not migration, but low vaccination rates
    It is not migratory patterns that explain the recent outbreaks of Covid-19, but the low vaccination rates in certain states, Arthur Caplan, director of the division of medical ethics at New York University School of Medicine, told Noticias Telemundo.

    "In some states, it isn't clear that there is very much migration right now at all, although there are big outbreaks," Caplan said. "As far as I know, the migration patterns in the past month are more north than south. That does not correlate at all."

    The 10 states with the highest rates of Covid-19 infections in the past seven days are located in the South, including in Florida and Texas, where DeSantis and Abbott are preventing schools from mandating masks amid rising Covid-19 cases among children — though some schools and districts are defying the governors and requiring masks.

    Although immigrants may be contributing to the overall Covid-19 case numbers, Caplan said the increase in infections and current outbreak patterns across the country are actually in response to policies that discourage the use of masks, vaccinations and the isolation of Covid-19 patients.

    Take the example of Mississippi, one of the five states with the lowest percentages of undocumented immigrants in the country, according to estimates by the Pew Research Center. It's currently the state with the lowest vaccination rate nationally — and it ranked third in Covid-19 infections per 100,000 people last week. In Mississippi, less than 36 percent of residents are fully vaccinated, according to government data.

    Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said that contrary to what DeSantis has said, the state's Covid-19 surge is due to its low vaccination rate.

    "Florida is really one of the worst in the sense of the number of new cases and the number of hospitalizations," Fauci told a CBS local newscast in Tampa, Florida. "This is fundamentally an outbreak, a pandemic of the unvaccinated, and given the relative lower level of vaccinations in Florida compared to some of the other states, you are much more vulnerable."

    For Caplan, blaming immigrants — undocumented or not — for the recent outbreaks of Covid-19 is not only wrong, but “racist.”

    "There is a very long history in the United States, sadly, of blaming recent immigrants," Caplan said. "They are always trying to blame outsiders for 'diseases,' and there isn't any evidence, particularly right now, when we know why there are big outbreaks in the South."

    "I don't see anything except racism and bigotry behind pointing the finger at immigrants," Caplan added.

    William Schaffner, professor of preventive medicine at Vanderbilt University, recently told PolitiFact that given the extensive transmission already in the U.S., "the immigration contribution is akin to pouring a bucket of water into a swimming pool."

    "It’s hard to measure and pretty trivial," Schaffner said.

    The borders are not open
    Another false claim that's been repeated around Covid-19 is that the country’s borders are wide open and anyone can enter, just as DeSantis put it. That is not the case.

    In March 2020, the U.S. closed its land borders with Mexico and Canada to nonessential travel such as tourism. The measure has been extended on a monthly basis since then.

    In addition, since the end of January, federal health authorities have required a negative Covid-19 test for international travelers, including citizens and residents, who arrive in the United States by air.

    On the southern border, U.S. Border Patrol has expelled 750,000 people who have crossed into the U.S., even those seeking asylum, under a public health order, known as Title 42, first put in effect by former President Donald Trump and now maintained by the Biden administration.

    On July 30, the U.S. resumed fast-track deportation flights of migrant families that recently arrived at the U.S.-Mexico border, taking them to Central America or southern Mexico.

    The number of people currently arriving at the southern border is the highest in decades. Border Patrol detained nearly 180,000 migrants in June, the highest number since March 2000.

    The Biden administration has expelled fewer people who have migrated to the U.S. than the Trump administration: While in December, 85 percent of those who were detained were expelled from the country, in June that figure was 58 percent, the lowest since the Covid-19 pandemic began.

    But this does not mean all the people who managed to stay continue their way into the country. Of the 75,000 immigrants without legal status detained in June who were not expelled, just over half remain in the custody of federal or local authorities; some are transferred to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and others end up under police or sheriff custody, as they had pending matters with the justice system.

    The rest are released with the order to appear before an immigration court months later.
     
    #405     Aug 14, 2021
  6. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    Total bullshiat!

    https://justthenews.com/government/...leased-austin-dallas-houston-under-laredo-dhs

    Lredo, Texas reached an agreement Wednesday to settle its lawsuit against the Biden Department of Homeland Security for transporting illegal immigrants from the Rio Grande Valley sector into the border city.

    Now these individuals are being transported instead to Austin, Dallas and Houston after they are released by Border Patrol.

    Laredo Mayor Pete Saenz, a Democrat, said Border Patrol is not testing the people it is releasing for COVID before they are bused out. Under the new agreement, the city is not required to test them, so they don’t have to provide care.

    "The reason why we don't do testing is that once you test, there's an obligation," Saenz told MyRGV.com. "If they're positive, we're told that you have to quarantine. We don't have the infrastructure for that.

    "What we're doing is coordinating with the EMC, the emergency management coordinators, in Austin and Houston, and I believe even Dallas, too ... Then, it's really up to them to continue offering PPEs, masks, hygiene, whatever they require."

    Laredo was forced to temporary shutdown after illegal immigrants created a COVID-19 outbreak, Saenz said.

    "Border Patrol was very clear that they were just going to put them out in the street, in our plazas," Saenz said. "And of course, we couldn't have that.

    "I know some people may say, 'You're basically transporting untested people to other cities.' And the answer is, 'Yes.' But what alternative do we have here, locally?
     
    #406     Aug 14, 2021
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Once again you should read the facts...

    No, the surge in Covid cases across the U.S. is not due to migrants or immigrants

    "There is a very long history in the United States, sadly ... trying to blame outsiders for diseases and there isn’t any evidence," medical ethicist Arthur Caplan said.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/no-surge-covid-cases-us-not-due-migrants-immigrants-rcna1656
     
    #407     Aug 14, 2021
  8. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    Since Biden is acting as a dictator and has proven that he is the usurper and chief, I assume that he will not pay any attention to this judges ruling.

    Federal judge orders Biden to restore Trump-era stay-in-Mexico asylum policy

    Ruling is a major win for border states, which argued the revocation of the policy led to the massive surge of illegal immigration.


    In a new rebuke to President Biden’s immigration policies, a federal judge has ordered his administration to revive the Trump-era policy requiring immigrants seeking U.S. asylum to remain in Mexico while their requests are reviewed.

    The 53-page ruling late Friday by U.S. District Judge Matthew J. Kacsmaryk in Amarillo, Texas, handed a victory to border states overrun by the recent migrant surge which saw more than 212,000 illegal aliens apprehended in July.

    Kacsmaryk ruled the Homeland Security Department “failed to consider several critical factors, including the benefits of the remain in Mexico policy” and thus did not follow the law in rescinding the program.

    The judge was sharply critical of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas, noting he ignored his own agency’s data showing 9 of 10 asylum claims from high-volume countries in the Northern Triangle were frivolous and that ending the policy might create a surge of migrants at the border.

    "By ignoring its own previous assessment on the importance of deterring meritless asylum applications without ‘a reasoned analysis for the change,’ defendants acted arbitrarily and capriciously,” Kacsmaryk ruled.

    The judge also ruled the revocation of the policy “has contributed to the current border surge" and put unnecessary strain on border and interior states who have been overrun by migrants.

    The ruling is the second major setback to the Biden administration‘s immigration policies. A judge earlier this year blocked the President from imposing a 100-day moratorium on deporting illegal aliens.

    Texas and Missouri, the two states that sued the Biden administration, hailed the latest judgement ruling as a rebuke to the Biden administration.

    “They unlawfully tried to shut down the legal and effective Remain-in-Mexico program, but #Texas and Missouri wouldn’t have it,” Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton tweeted. “Together we sued, and just handed Biden yet another major loss!”
     
    #408     Aug 14, 2021
  9. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    Those are facts. That is pure unadulterated political propaganda.

    That article along with all of the other complete bullshit articles assume that 100% of the people illegally crossing the border are apprehended.

    Biden's border policies have caused a flood of illegal immigrants to cross the border many of them are not apprehended by border control.
     
    #409     Aug 14, 2021
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  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    You seem to completely misunderstand the concept of facts, data, and proper statistics --- as compared to a statement of a local politician who is just begging for federal & state money.
     
    #410     Aug 14, 2021