The Border Crisis on Steroids

Discussion in 'Politics' started by TreeFrogTrader, Mar 14, 2021.

  1. UsualName

    UsualName

    Sure it did. Obama inherited a border crisis, congress passed some big border funding package that like doubled the number of agents at the border and in certain areas we were allowed to go into Mexico for a while and “assist” Mexico in apprehensions. It worked really well for a while. We need that again.
     
    #231     Jun 8, 2021
  2. Alright.

    It is good to look at other views on border management because the ones that Kamala and Biden campaigned on have not and will not work.
     
    #232     Jun 8, 2021
  3. #233     Jun 9, 2021
  4. Wallet

    Wallet

    An obvious shill, media/audience plant. Surprised she didn’t ask for a Harris Cookie and an autograph before fainting at being in the presence of the one.
     
    #234     Jun 9, 2021
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  5. The Hill

    Harris gets tough reviews over border on first foreign trip


    Before Vice President Harris’s plane touched down at Joint Base Andrews after 1 a.m. on Wednesday, the narrative of her first foreign trip had already been cast.

    Biden allies and even some people close to Harris said they viewed her trip to Guatemala and Mexico as a “disaster,” as one put it.

    They said they were left wondering why she seemed so ill-prepared to handle basic questions like “Why you haven’t been to the border?” that have been telegraphed by Republicans and conservative media as well as more mainstream outlets given her focus on the Northern Triangle countries and immigration.

    Harris’s comments about visiting the border during the trip left almost everyone shaking their heads inside and outside the White House.

    “It wasn’t great,” said one longtime Biden ally. “A little cringeworthy too. I don’t know how they weren’t preparing for these questions.”

    Another ally was blunt: “It was terrible. I don’t know how else to say it.”

    The allies pointed to several comments that gave critics of Harris and the Biden administration an easy talking point.

    First, they pointed to Harris’s remarks at a press conference on Monday, where she pointedly told migrants “do not come” to the border. Those comments drew a backlash from progressives, including Rep. Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), who said they sent the wrong signal.

    The following day in an interview with NBC News’s Lester Holt, the sources said Harris came off as defensive when Holt repeatedly asked if she was going to visit the border.

    “We are going to the border, we’ve been to the border,” Harris told Holt. When Holt told her she had not visited the border, Harris replied: “And I haven’t been to Europe.”

    The comment was played on loop on the cable networks even before Harris left Mexico City for Washington. The flub even found its way to late-night television, when the "Tonight Show’s" Jimmy Fallon played the clip Tuesday night.

    “Well, that escalated quickly,” Fallon said, after making an inquisitive face about Harris’s comments. The studio audience laughed.

    Democrats say it’s still early in the administration and mistakes are bound to happen.

    Harris, the first woman to hold the vice presidency, is already a historic figure who many believe could be the party’s standard-bearer in a future presidential election — perhaps as early as 2024, if Biden chooses to not run for reelection.

    But they also say, in some respects, it’s a lose-lose proposition for Harris to have to handle one of the thorniest issues in American politics as vice president.


    "It makes her an easy target and a heat shield, and obviously that wasn’t the intention,” said Democratic strategist Joel Payne. “With an issue like immigration, it's very easy to find threads to pull on to scapegoat people, and that’s what her team is desperately trying to avoid right now.”

    One Democratic strategist said there is clearly a “failure of strategy on how to position the vice president on the issue” and it’s apparent in how they handled sending Harris on her first foreign trip.

    “It makes her look a little listless,” the strategist said. “It’s an issue you can’t win on.”

    Democratic strategist Christy Setzer acknowledged that the comments to NBC were “clumsy.”

    “The White House’s lead spokesperson on immigration should be able to talk about the root causes of migration and what’s happening at the border without getting defensive or handing the opposition an infinitely replayable soundbite,” Setzer said.

    But she added: “This feels mild in the grand scheme of things — a muffed up interview on a notoriously no-win topic. I doubt we’re still speaking about it this weekend, let alone by the November midterms.”

    What will be critical for Harris is how she handles the coming months, political observers say.
    Since the border is not a problem that can be "solved," one measure of Harris’s political skills will be how she studies it, issues a report and shunts responsibility back onto the Department of Homeland Security and its Border Patrol with as few people noticing as possible, said Cal Jillson, a professor of political science at Southern Methodist University.

    But one strategist said the immigration issue will come back to haunt her down the road.

    “The political adversaries of this administration have a vested interest in spinning this into a controversy even if one doesn’t exist, and I know her team is well aware of that,” the strategist said.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...ugh-reviews-over-border-on-first-foreign-trip
     
    #235     Jun 10, 2021
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  6. Harris: Come to the Border!

    GOP: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

    Harris: Don't Come to the Border!

    Dems: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!



    Seriously, how is anyone supposed to get something done in this bullshit. Further proof that the GOP and Dems are hypocrites and want talking points not real reform...
     
    #236     Jun 10, 2021
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  7. UsualName

    UsualName

    Harris definitely flubbed a lot of the optics and sound bytes on this trip. She needs to get this stuff together. In politics getting this stuff right garners public support and public support is currency in DC.

    Say what you want about Biden but when he was VP he did this sort of thing well for Obama. Harris has to get better at it.

    Now that isn’t to say her trip wasn’t a success in its own right. She definitely got the message out as a US official visiting Central America she unequivocally told the people not to come to America and told leaders directly and in public they are responsible for making their countries safer and better.

    Don’t underestimate that message. It’s something people can grab on to and with the proper support can make a difference.
     
    #237     Jun 10, 2021
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  8. That's absurd.

    "the message she got out" is that the borders are wide, wide, wide open and that she was going to mouth some words there that meant absolutely frigging nothing to all the coyotes and illegals thinking of coming. Just total bullshit on her part and on your part to think she can reverse what she has advocated on the campaign trail and through her actions in office. Absurd bullshit.

    Meanwhile guys in Guatamala are calling their illegal cousins in Tea Neck, New Jersey who just got good jobs with a landscaping company because the dems have paid Americans to not take jobs. The cousins are telling them they had NO PROBLEM getting across the border and come on in. THE WATER IS FINE. And you think Miss Tough Guy Kamala has somehow tamped that done? Take a drug test for chrisesake. The border has TOTALLY, TOTALLY COLLAPSED and that brainless, clueless tart has no influence anywhere.
     
    #238     Jun 10, 2021
  9. UsualName

    UsualName

    The border is not totally collapsed but migrants are certainly at record levels. We are also returning people at record levels. It’s a lot of stress at the border right now but we are holding right now.

    You complained when Obama was the president too and crossings were relatively low and deportations high and you cheered Trump when crossings were relatively high and deportations slowed.

    Right now we are using emergency authority due to Covid to turn the migrants right around. Our turnaround rate is very high and we actually making some progress on the unaccompanied hold issues too.

    However, no matter how you spin going down there and telling people not to come is the right thing to do. Where Harris dropped the ball was with issues related to the actual border. She needs to show respect for the work going on down there. Right now it’s a very stressed situation and we are lucky it’s holding up.
     
    #239     Jun 10, 2021
  10. I stop right there. There will be no reading of the post after that first line.

    You are speaking from a trance state and trying to recruit others into it.

    The border is totally collapsed. Full stop. Anyone who can make it to the border is good to go.
     
    #240     Jun 10, 2021