as a matter of fact, the dmi crossover is impossible to trade on it's own because it will whipsaw you to death. But it has never paid me to go against it, so that is why I use it. Now I see, waiting for a breakout misses many good crossover trades, but almost EVERY SINGLE TIME the bad whipsaw crossovers occur well within the channel. The dmi crossover is usually my first warning sign that I am gonna get my head handed to me, but maybe next time, if I get a crossover inside the channel, I will stick around for one more laugh. I was going to try to make some observations on the bands in conjunction with the channels, but I don't know if I will get to it this weekend. The harder I work at night, the easier my day goes.