The Billion Dollar Club

Discussion in 'Journals' started by OnTrial, Nov 5, 2007.

  1. hajimow

    hajimow

    I also see some redundancy in your portfolio. XLNX and ALTR are both in the same narrow sector of programmable devices. IF one goes up or down, the other one will follow. You are short both of them. Either you will be stopped out in both of them or you will make a profit in both. In football terminologies , you have two goal keepers !!

    How do you select your stocks? What are your screening parameters? I think that is the important thing.
     
    #81     Nov 22, 2007
  2. OnTrial

    OnTrial

    Hi hajimow,

    I believe 2%/5% refers to value of account NOT position. Anyway, that's how I was using it. My risk per position is always more than 2% & in many cases more than 5% as well.
     
    #82     Nov 22, 2007
  3. OnTrial

    OnTrial

    Well spotted, sir!

    If you notice, my short positions are very small in size. I could have traded just one of the two stocks at double the size I have in each one, but opted to play both of them.

    My screens at the mo are just fundamentals plus liquidity. I've actually been thinking of reducing/eliminating sector/industry redundance, but haven't got round to it yet. Rather than eliminate it completely, it is more likely I will get FAB TEAM to take it into account during asset allocation.

    Thanks for the reminder.

    Talking about goalies, England could have done with two of those last night! :D
     
    #83     Nov 22, 2007
  4. hajimow

    hajimow

    This will be my last post here on this topic because I don't want to litter your journal and drag it into other topics. So if I have one million in my account and spend 10% of it to buy a position and sit 90% on cash because I can not find any other securities to buy ,2% stop loss would actually be 20% of that position? So If I buy the stock at $100, the stop loss would be $80?
    So If I have 10 equal positions each 100K and if I want to have 2% stop loss of my total account value and if suddenly market drops and all my stop loss orders trigger, I will lose 20K in each trade and I will lose 200K of my account?
     
    #84     Nov 22, 2007
  5. OnTrial

    OnTrial

    I believe that when Joab said 5% risk, he meant risk as in position sizing and NOT risk as in stop size. If I am wrong, I hope he corrects me.

    Normally, there are no hard & fast rules about stop size since it very much depends on one's system. In fact, for a swing trading system, a 2% stop would appear much too tight to me, but that's just my opnion anyway. On the other hand, it is universally (well almost) accepted that 2% is a safe guideline to use for position sizing.

    Please feel free to continue this discussion. I don't mind one bit.
     
    #85     Nov 22, 2007
  6. Joab

    Joab


    As a discretionary trader I don't put the market into a box.

    I "personally" also don't use percentage stops I merely illustrated it for these purposes.

    I prefer hard dollar stops and the number of shares I take will depend on my entry and stop price.

    ie: Risk $500
    Stop 9.90
    Entry 10.00

    $500 divided by .10 = 5000 share allocation.

    also the amount of Risk / dollar amount will vary depending on the trade and how much I like it.
     
    #86     Nov 22, 2007
  7. OnTrial

    OnTrial

    Hi Joab. I was also using the percentage stops for illustration.

    In fact, it's possible that I misunderstood what you meant by 5% risk.

    Using your illustration, does the max 5% risk refer to the $500 (i.e max position size based on a $10,000 account) or to the 0.10 (i.e max stop size based on stock value - meaning that for a $10 your max stop would be at 9.50)? I assumed you meant the former.

    Thanks.
     
    #87     Nov 22, 2007
  8. OnTrial

    OnTrial

    Squad List <p>There is room in the team for zero more Long & zero more Short players. Players are listed in order of preference. If and when the team is filled, all other players that satisfy the entry requirements will sit on the bench.<p>NOK<br>Drtn:&nbsp;Long<br>Entry Stop:&nbsp;38.50<br>Entry Limit:&nbsp;38.52<br>Disaster Stop:&nbsp;36.52<br>Qty:&nbsp;567<p>SYNA<br>Drtn:&nbsp;Long<br>Entry Stop:&nbsp;53.94<br>Entry Limit:&nbsp;53.98<br>Disaster Stop:&nbsp;50.12<br>Qty:&nbsp;568<p>
     
    #88     Nov 23, 2007
  9. Joab

    Joab

    Correct.

    Keep up the good work with the thread and if you can incorporate fills on a soon as possible bases that would go along way to verifying your results.
     
    #89     Nov 23, 2007
  10. OnTrial

    OnTrial

    Current Team for 26/11/2007 <p><p>ERIC<br>Drtn:&nbsp;Short<br>Entry:&nbsp;29.93<br>Date:&nbsp;07/11/2007<br>Disaster Stop:&nbsp;31.43<br>Qty:&nbsp;300<br>Cost:&nbsp;$8,979.00<p>LCAV<br>Drtn:&nbsp;Short<br>Entry:&nbsp;17.48<br>Date:&nbsp;08/11/2007<br>Disaster Stop:&nbsp;18.35<br>Qty:&nbsp;600<br>Cost:&nbsp;$10,488.00<p>ALTR<br>Drtn:&nbsp;Short<br>Entry:&nbsp;18.66<br>Date:&nbsp;09/11/2007<br>Disaster Stop:&nbsp;19.82<br>Qty:&nbsp;250<br>Cost:&nbsp;$4,665.00<p>XLNX<br>Drtn:&nbsp;Short<br>Entry:&nbsp;22.83<br>Date:&nbsp;09/11/2007<br>Disaster Stop:&nbsp;24.74<br>Qty:&nbsp;200<br>Cost:&nbsp;$4,566.00<p>NDAQ<br>Drtn:&nbsp;Long<br>Entry:&nbsp;41.83<br>Date:&nbsp;13/11/2007<br>Disaster Stop:&nbsp;37.96<br>Qty:&nbsp;470<br>Cost:&nbsp;$19,660.10<p>SYNA<br>Drtn:&nbsp;Long<br>Entry:&nbsp;55.60<br>Date:&nbsp;13/11/2007<br>Disaster Stop:&nbsp;50.51<br>Qty:&nbsp;360<br>Cost:&nbsp;$20,016.00<p>MTG<br>Drtn:&nbsp;Short<br>Entry:&nbsp;23.01<br>Date:&nbsp;15/11/2007<br>Disaster Stop:&nbsp;25.33<br>Qty:&nbsp;210<br>Cost:&nbsp;$4,832.10<p>MER<br>Drtn:&nbsp;Short<br>Entry:&nbsp;56.67<br>Date:&nbsp;15/11/2007<br>Disaster Stop:&nbsp;62.35<br>Qty:&nbsp;90<br>Cost:&nbsp;$5,100.30<p>
     
    #90     Nov 23, 2007