The biggest most notorious liar known to man

Discussion in 'Politics' started by exGOPer, Oct 15, 2017.

  1. Did I claim China hacked Clinton? It seems like a running joke that the only person who does not have Hilary's emails is Hilary!

    Your characterization that Trump is a pathological liar that even his own family does not trust him, among others, is unfair.

    Trump's many incorrect statements of varying degrees are merely errors and not lies. These misstatements are caused either by simple errors, mental laziness, or wishful thinking.

    Trump's sloppiness does not excuse him, however. Trump should be called out on his errors. He has nothing to gain by being inaccurate, especially when many things are easily verified nowadays.

    Further, many things Trump has said are considered lies by the media are really subjective interpretation of things. Businessmen and non businessmen can look at things differently and not understand what each other is really trying to say.

    On many of the substantial issues affecting the US, Trump actions are appropiate in how he addresses them.

    Trump has plenty of significant character flaws. He seems to project his capabilities on other people and gets disappointed when they don't perform up to his expectations. There are times when Trump has missed opportunities to use diplomacy effectively as a tool to further his and the counter parties interests at the same time. Instead, Trump has put off some people causing them to be reluctant to cooperate even when in their best interests.

    Overall, Trump is doing a great job in working towards fulfilling his campaign promises for the benefit of the people in the United States and beyond.
     
    #361     Aug 29, 2018
  2. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    So let me get this straight, you have no evidence to backup Trump's deranged claims which originated at a conspiracy website run by a convicted felon.

    But it's unfair to call Trump a pathological liar for repeating that bogus claim even though he can't provide any evidence while the FBI run by a Trump sycophant says it's a lie.

    Really?
     
    #362     Aug 29, 2018
  3. Your reasoning has temporarily left you and you have gone full emotional. Again.

    Using your own statements, I will break it down for you.

    1. Hilary's "secret" email server, lax Internet security, and 30,000 missing emails are accepted by many as fact, but is not the main issue at this point. FBI corruption and Radical Left free speech suppression is. I have neither the resources or inclination to prove China also has Hilary's emails.

    Maybe as a part of a China - US trade deal, Trump will negotiate certain matters of intelligence into it.

    Trump's statement on Hilary's email may be based on US Intelligence information. Perhaps they have information on compromised computers and have traced IP addresses back to China.

    Even if Trump's sole source of information was the website in question, Trump has not told a lie for repeating information unless he knew it not to be true.

    2. Your characterization that the FBI is run by a Trump sycophant is absurd by definition. If FBI was run by a Trump sycophant, he would be serving Trump's interests by ending the expensive and time consuming investigation by not allowing it to continue on in spite of all the previously mentioned issues in other posts.

    The charges of Russia Collusion or interference were ridiculous from the start. They were apparently initiated by someone safe from US laws in England. Even the accusation itself provides the accusers some legal safety as there does not appear to be any specific laws that address "collusion" or "interference". The Democratic Party for decades has engaged in activities with Russia that almost certaintly rises to the level of criminality because of illegal campaign donations.

    Hilary was supposed to be Putin's sycophant, but Putin felt Obama was more electable. You do remember how the media turned on Hilary during the primary's in favor of Obama, right?

    While Hilary was Secretary of State under Obama, she lashed out against Putin. Her pissing contest with Putin caused retribution and the probable loss of Russian funding of Democratic campaigns. Hilary was later replaced as Secretary of State by John Kerry.

    In the 2016 election, Sanders was the popular chioice and was gaining momentum, but with Hilary's influence on the media, apparently, the media turned on him.

    Russia has been influencing or worse US politics as well as other countries for a long time. The US does this as well.

    There should be an investigation by a non partisan FBI into illegal campaign funding by a foreign power for the benefit of the Democratic Party.

    Are you willing to denounce the acceptance of foreign payments by a political party as illegal and corrupt?

    Some of FBI leadership was put in place during the Bush administration. The Washington political establishment has lots of people who have impressive credentials, but who are still political beasts. Trump has been burned several times by looking for impressive credentials but has found the person he appointed is more interested in another agenda that is contrary to Trump's objectives.

    The media has ridiculed Trump for hiring "unqualified" people as well. Damned if you do, and damned if you don't thinking seems to apply here.

    In addition, as mentioned many times, the Bush family is not happy with the treatment of Jeb in the primary's by Trump. Mueller was appointed by Bush, as I understand it.

    The fanatical defense of Hilary by the Radical Left and the media seems to imply she may try to run for President yet again. God bless her. God bless America.

    It is not hard to see which side one should be supporting: One side is getting positive things done for the country. The other side only obstructs and complains.

    You need to consider things from the other side, in a non emotional state and support those who represent true progress. Increased economic opportunity affects all of us positively, even those outside the US.

    Get off of your hate wagon and start supporting Trump.
     
    #363     Aug 30, 2018
  4. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    I ask you to back up a simple statement and you go full Carl Jung on me.

    It was not a 'secret' server, there is no evidence of the security being breached and there are no 'missing emails'.

    These are blatant lies that you keep repeating

    And I don't need lectures from a Trump supporter on corruption. Why is the FBI such a focus? Where is the same concern for EPA, DoE and CFPB where lobbyists are running the departments? Free speech suppression? Your guy wants to regulate newspapers and internet search companies but the left is the problem?


    TLDR, more bullshit.

    I asked you to provide evidence for a simple claim and you ballwash the very liar who is peddling such blatant lies.
     
    #364     Aug 30, 2018
  5. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    Trump, without offering any evidence, accused NBC News of “fudging” his May 2017 interview that came days after he fired then FBI Director James Comey and in which he cited the federal Russia investigation, Reuters reports.
     
    #365     Aug 30, 2018
  6. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...urce-behind-bombshell-leak-star-reporter.html

    Donald Trump is wrong about source behind bombshell leak: Star reporter


    Rejecting a claim by Donald Trump, a Toronto Star reporter says Bloomberg News journalists were not the source of a bombshell leak of the president’s inflammatory “off the record” remarks about trade negotiations with Canada.

    Daniel Dale, the Star’s Washington bureau chief, made the statement Saturday after Trump unleashed attacks against the Bloomberg journalists for allegedly breaking a promise that his remarks during an Oval Office interview with Bloomberg were “off the record.”

    “I don’t want to be party to the president’s smearing of excellent, ethical journalists. So I can say this: none of the Bloomberg interviewers was my source,” Dale said in a tweet. “The president is incorrect when he claims he was wronged by his interviewers.”
     
    #366     Sep 1, 2018
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  7. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    Of course he is wrong, they should just call him a liar on his face instead of this roundabout pussyfooting.
     
    #367     Sep 1, 2018
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    Cuddles



    President Trump's Description of What's 'Fake' Is Expanding
     
    #368     Sep 2, 2018
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    Cuddles

    #369     Sep 6, 2018
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  10. piezoe

    piezoe

    I don't understand how you can come to this conclusion. Most people tell few lies, i.e., an intentional misstatement of fact. We all make mistakes and say things that are wrong, but they are not lies by the definition I've just given. But either Trump tells many lies, or a mental disorder causes him to actually believe what he is saying is true. In the later case he is innocent of lying by reason of insanity. In that case, what appears to us as lies, would not be intentionally so on his part.

    I believe that he has a serious mental disorder making him unsuited for the Presidency, but that that disorder is not of the sort that could excuse lying, i.e., he is not insane. In other words, his disorder is not of the sort that would render him unaware that he is lying. I believe there is substantial evidence that he is fully aware that he is lying and that he is doing it intentionally. Because he is aware of his lies, he should not be excused despite his mental disorder making it difficult to be truthful. My evidence is this, and I believe it to be strong and incontrovertible. If he is unaware that he is lying he would act as a person telling the truth would. Instead, he acts as a person lying would. His lies, therefore, must be intentional.
     
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    #370     Sep 6, 2018