The Bible - a black and white book of half truths.

Discussion in 'Religion and Spirituality' started by themickey, Dec 26, 2024.

  1. themickey

    themickey

    Here's a theory, it's not a serious theory, just a musing theory.

    Humans are placed on planet earth as Aliens in a laboratory experiment.
    These Aliens are infected with a virus.
    The virus is 'imperfection'.
    So we are alien rats in a laboratory infected with a flaw or you could call it; we are sick aliens.

    Into this laboratory is thrown religion, many types of religions but among them is Judaism/Christianity/Islam.
    These 3 religions have books, Torah, Bible, Qur'an.

    There is a common theme in these 3 books.
    The books are deliberately flawed, the books are contradictory, the books carry two themes.
    The two contradictory themes are LOVE & HATE.

    Whoever placed us into this laboratory is expermenting on our reactions.
    Will we gravitate toward the LOVE theme or will we gravitate toward the HATE theme?

    It's possible we will be judged/sorted/rewarded or evolve further in the direction on our outcomes.
     
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  2. themickey

    themickey

    https://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/religion.occult.new_age/occult.conspiracy.and.related/Bushby, Tony - Forged Origins of the New Testament.pdf

    THE BIRTH OF JESUS CHRIST
    The Forged Origins of The New Testament.

    In the fourth century, the Roman Emperor Constantine united all religious factions under one composite deity, and ordered the compilation of new and old writings into a uniform collection that became the New Testament.
    It has often been emphasised that Christianity is unlike any other religion, for it stands or falls by certain events which are alleged to have occurred during a short period of time some 20 centuries ago. Those stories are presented in the New Testament, and as new evidence is revealed it will become clear that they do not represent historical realities. The Church agrees, saying: "Our documentary sources of knowledge about the origins of Christianity and its earliest development are chiefly the New Testament Scriptures, the authenticity of which we must, to a great extent, take for granted."

    Flavius Constantinus (Constantine the Great) (272-337) who authorised the compilation of the writings now called the New Testament.
    After the death of his father in 306, Constantine became King of Britain, Gaul and Spain, and then, after a series of victorious battles, Emperor of the Roman Empire.

    Christian historians give little or no hint of the turmoil of the times and suspend Constantine in the air, free of all human events happening around him. In truth, one of Constantine's main problems was the uncontrollable disorder amongst presbyters and their belief in numerous gods.

    The majority of modern-day Christian writers suppress the truth about the development of their religion and conceal Constantine's efforts to curb the disreputable character of the presbyters who are now called "Church Fathers".

    Catholic EncycloPresbyterial groups clashed over attributes of their various gods and "altar was set against altar" in competing for an audience.

    From Constantine's point of view, there were several factions that needed satisfying, and he set out to develop an all-embracing religion during a period of irreverent confusion. In an age of crass ignorance, with nine-tenths of the peoples of Europe illiterate, stabilising religious splinter groups was only one of Constantine's problems. The smooth generalisation, which so many historians are content to repeat, that Constantine "embraced the Christian religion" and subsequently granted "official toleration", is "contrary to historical fact" and should be erased from our literature forever.

    Simply put, there was no Christian religion at Constantine's time, and the Church acknowledges that the tale of his "conversion" and "baptism" are "entirely legendary".

    Constantine "never acquired a solid theological knowledge" and "depended heavily on his advisers in religious questions".

    Constantine noted that among the presbyterian factions "strife had grown so serious, vigorous action was necessary to establish a more religious state", but he could not bring about a settlement between rival god factions.

    His advisers warned him that the presbyters' religions were "destitute of foundation" and needed official stabilisation.

    Constantine saw in this confused system of fragmented dogmas the opportunity to create a new and combined State religion, neutral in concept, and to protect it by law.

    Constantine issued a decree commanding all presbyters and their subordinates "be mounted on asses, mules and horses belonging to the public, and travel to the city of Nicaea" in the Roman province of Bithynia in Asia Minor. They were instructed to bring with them the testimonies they orated to the rabble, "bound in leather" for protection during the long journey, and surrender them to Constantine upon arrival in Nicaea.

    Their writings totalled "in all, two thousand two hundred and thirty-one scrolls and legendary tales of gods and saviours, together with a record of the doctrines orated by them"

    The First Council of Nicaea.
    The first ecclesiastical gathering in history was summoned and is today known as the Council of Nicaea. It was a bizarre event that provided many details of early clerical thinking and presents a clear picture of the intellectual climate prevailing at the time. It was at this gathering that Christianity was born, and the ramifications of decisions made at the time are difficult to calculate. About four years prior to chairing the Council, Constantine had been initiated into the religious order of Sol Invictus, one of the two thriving cults that regarded the Sun as the one and only Supreme God (the other was Mithraism). Because of his Sun worship, he instructed Eusebius to convene the first of three sittings on the summer solstice, 21 June 325 and it was "held in a hall in Osius's palace".

    In an account of the proceedings of the conclave of presbyters gathered at Nicaea, Sabinius, Bishop of Hereclea, who was in attendance, said, "Excepting Constantine himself and Eusebius Pamphilius, they were a set of illiterate, simple creatures who understood nothing".

    (NOTE: My interpretation - "Religious snake oil salesmen")

    This is another luminous confession of the ignorance and uncritical credulity of early churchmen. Dr Richard Watson (1737-1816), a disillusioned Christian historian and one-time Bishop of Llandaff in Wales (1782), referred to them as "a set of gibbering idiots".

    From his extensive research into Church councils, Dr Watson concluded that "the clergy at the Council of Nicaea were all under the power of the devil, and the convention was composed of the lowest rabble and patronised the vilest abominations"

    It was that infantile body of men who were responsible for the commencement of a new religion and the theological creation of Jesus Christ. The Church admits that vital elements of the proceedings at Nicaea are "strangely absent from the canons"

    We shall see shortly what happened to them. However, according to records that endured, Eusebius "occupied the first seat on the right of the emperor and delivered the inaugural address on the emperor's behalf".

    It was at that puerile assembly, and with so many cults represented, that a total of 318 "bishops, priests, deacons, subdeacons, acolytes and exorcists" gathered to debate and decide upon a unified belief system that encompassed only one god.

    By this time, a huge assortment of "wild texts" circulated amongst presbyters and they supported a great variety of Eastern and Western gods and goddesses: Jove, Jupiter, Salenus, Baal, Thor, Gade, Apollo, Juno, Aries, Taurus, Minerva, Rhets, Mithra, Theo, Fragapatti, Atys, Durga, Indra, Neptune, Vulcan, Kriste, Agni, Croesus, Pelides, Huit, Hermes, Thulis, Thammus, Eguptus, Iao, Aph, Saturn, Gitchens, Minos, Maximo, Hecla and Phernes

    Up until the First Council of Nicaea, the Roman aristocracy primarily worshipped two Greek gods-Apollo and Zeus-but the great bulk of common people idolised either Julius Caesar or Mithras (the Romanised version of the Persian deity Mithra). Caesar was deified by the Roman Senate after his death (15 March 44 BC) and subsequently venerated as "the Divine Julius". The word "Saviour" was affixed to his name, its literal meaning being "one who sows the seed", i.e., he was a phallic god. Julius Caesar was hailed as "God made manifest and universal Saviour of human life", and his successor Augustus was called the "ancestral God and Saviour of the whole human race".

    Emperor Nero (54-68), whose original name was Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus (37-68), was immortalised on his coins as the "Saviour of mankind".

    The Divine Julius as Roman Saviour and "Father of the Empire" was considered "God" among the Roman rabble for more than 300 years. He was the deity in some Western presbyters' texts, but was not recognised in Eastern or Oriental writings. Constantine's intention at Nicaea was to create an entirely new god for his empire who would unite all religious factions under one deity. Presbyters were asked to debate and decide who their new god would be. Delegates argued among themselves, expressing personal motives for inclusion of particular writings that promoted the finer traits of their own special deity. Throughout the meeting, howling factions were immersed in heated debates, and the names of 53 gods were tabled for discussion. "As yet, no God had been selected by the council, and so they balloted in order to determine that matter... For one year and five months the balloting lasted...".

    At the end of that time, Constantine returned to the gathering to discover that the presbyters had not agreed on a new deity but had balloted down to a shortlist of five prospects: Caesar, Krishna, Mithra, Horus and Zeus .

    Constantine was the ruling spirit at Nicaea and he ultimately decided upon a new god for them. To involve British factions, he ruled that the name of the great Druid god, Hesus, be joined with the Eastern Saviour-god, Krishna (Krishna is Sanskrit for Christ), and thus Hesus Krishna would be the official name of the new Roman god. A vote was taken and it was with a majority show of hands (161 votes to 157) that both divinities became one God. Following longstanding heathen custom, Constantine used the official gathering and the Roman apotheosis decree to legally deify two deities as one, and did so by democratic consent. A new god was proclaimed and "officially" ratified by Constantine (Acta Concilii Nicaeni, 1618).

    That purely political act of deification effectively and legally placed Hesus and Krishna among the Roman gods as one individual composite. That abstraction lent Earthly existence to amalgamated doctrines for the Empire's new religion; and because there was no letter "J" in alphabets until around the ninth century, the name subsequently evolved into "Jesus Christ". How the Gospels were created Constantine then instructed Eusebius to organise the compilation of a uniform collection of new writings developed from primary aspects of the religious texts submitted at the council. His instructions were: "Search ye these books, and whatever is good in them, that retain; but whatsoever is evil, that cast away. What is good in one book, unite ye with that which is good in another book. And whatsoever is thus brought together shall be called The Book of Books. And it shall be the doctrine of my people, which I will recommend unto all nations, that there shall be no more war for religions' sake."

    "Make them to astonish" said Constantine, and "the books were written accordingly".

    Eusebius amalgamated the "legendary tales of all the religious doctrines of the world together as one", using the standard god-myths from the presbyters' manuscripts as his exemplars. Merging the supernatural "god" stories of Mithra and Krishna with British Culdean beliefs effectively joined the orations of Eastern and Western presbyters together "to form a new universal belief".

    Constantine believed that the amalgamated collection of myths would unite variant and opposing religious factions under one representative story. Eusebius then arranged for scribes to produce "fifty sumptuous copies ... to be written on parchment in a legible manner, and in a convenient portable form, by professional scribes thoroughly accomplished in their art". "These orders," said Eusebius, "were followed by the immediate execution of the work itself ... we sent him [Constantine] magnificently and elaborately bound volumes of three-fold and four-fold forms".

    They were the "New Testimonies", and this is the first mention (c. 331) of the New Testament in the historical record. With his instructions fulfilled, Constantine then decreed that the New Testimonies would thereafter be called the "word of the Roman Saviour God" and official to all presbyters sermonising in the Roman Empire.

    He then ordered earlier presbyterial manuscripts and the records of the council "burnt" and declared that "any man found concealing writings should be stricken off from his shoulders" (beheaded).

    As the record shows, presbyterial writings previous to the Council of Nicaea no longer exist, except for some fragments that have survived. Some council records also survived, and they provide alarming ramifications for the Church.

    Some old documents say that the First Council of Nicaea ended in mid-November 326, while others say the struggle to establish a god was so fierce that it extended "for four years and seven months" from its beginning in June 325.

    Regardless of when it ended, the savagery and violence it encompassed were concealed under the glossy title "Great and Holy Synod", assigned to the assembly by the Church in the 18th century.

    Constantine died in 337 and his outgrowth of many now-called pagan beliefs into a new religious system brought many converts. Later Church writers made him "the great champion of Christianity" which he gave "legal status as the religion of the Roman Empire".

    Historical records reveal this to be incorrect, for it was "self-interest" that led him to create Christianity. Yet it wasn't called "Christianity" until the 15th century.

    Over the ensuing centuries, Constantine's New Testimonies were expanded upon, "interpolations" were added and other writings included.
    For example, in 397 John "golden-mouthed" Chrysostom restructured the writings of Apollonius of Tyana, a first-century wandering sage, and made them part of the New Testimonies.
    The Latinised name for Apollonius is Paulus, and the Church today calls those writings the Epistles of Paul. Apollonius's personal attendant, Damis, an Assyrian scribe, is Demis in the New Testament (2 Tim. 4:10).
     
    #52     Feb 3, 2025
  3. themickey

    themickey

    Constantine the Great
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great

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    Head of the Colossus of Constantine, Capitoline Museums
    Roman emperor
    Reign
    25 July 306 – 22 May 337 (alone from 19 September 324)
    Predecessor Constantius I (in the West)
    Successor
    Co-rulers
    See list

    Born
    Flavius Constantinus
    27 February c. 272[1]
    Naissus, Moesia Superior, Roman Empire
    Died 22 May 337 (aged 65)
    Achyron, Nicomedia, Bithynia, Roman Empire
    Burial
    Originally the Church of the Holy Apostles, Constantinople, but Constantius II had the body moved

    Names
    Flavius Valerius Constantinus
    Regnal name
    Imperator Caesar Flavius Valerius Constantinus Augustus
    Greek Κωνσταντῖνος
    Dynasty Constantinian
    Father Constantius Chlorus
    Mother Helena
    Religion

    Constantine I[g] (Latin: Flavius Valerius Constantinus; 27 February c. 272 – 22 May 337), also known as Constantine the Great, was a Roman emperor from AD 306 to 337 and the first Roman emperor to convert to Christianity.[h] He played a pivotal role in elevating the status of Christianity in Rome, decriminalizing Christian practice and ceasing Christian persecution. This was a turning point in the Christianization of the Roman Empire. He founded the city of Constantinople and made it the capital of the Empire, which it remained for over a millennium.

    Born in Naissus, in Dardania within Moesia Superior (now Niš, Serbia), Constantine was the son of Flavius Constantius, a Roman army officer of Illyrian origin who would become one of the four emperors of the Tetrarchy. His mother, Helena, was a woman of low birth, probably from Asia Minor in modern Turkey. Later canonised as a saint, she is credited for the conversion of her son in some traditions, though others believe that Constantine converted her. Constantine served with distinction under the Roman emperors Diocletian and Galerius. He began his career by....

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    #53     Feb 3, 2025
  4. The consensus among "aliens" is that humans have tremendous potential and are also irrationally violent, selfish and destructive to their home planet. I wouldn't put it past them to try and sabotage us in order to inherit the earth. It's the trojan horse playbook, in space!
     
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  5. themickey

    themickey

    Forged (book)

    Forged: Writing in the Name of God – Why the Bible's Authors Are Not Who We Think They Are is a book by American New Testament scholar Bart D. Ehrman, published in 2011 by HarperCollins.

    Forged: Writing in the Name of God – Why the Bible's Authors Are Not Who We Think They Are
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    First edition Author Bart D. Ehrman

    Arguments and contentions
    In antiquity, pseudepigraphy was an accepted practice in which a writer attributed his work to a well-known figure from the past or a teacher who had greatly influenced him. Forged contends that the practice was not in fact accepted and would have been condemned as dishonest by all authorities in antiquity. Ehrman maintains that the more honest term for such falsely attributed writings is "forgery".

    The book posits that between eight and eleven of the twenty-seven books of the Christian New Testament canon were written as forgeries.
    Ehrman points out numerous inconsistencies he finds within the New Testament that appear to support many of his claims, such as the fact that in Acts 4, the statement is made that both Peter and John were illiterate, yet in later years entire books of the Bible were then alleged to have been written by them.

    New Testament books identified as forgeries by Ehrman
    False attributions
    In addition to the books of the New Testament Ehrman identifies as forgeries, he discusses eight originally anonymous New Testament texts that had names of apostles ascribed to them later and are falsely attributed. These are not forgeries since the texts are anonymous but have had false authors ascribed to them by others:
    The Epistle of James is not technically a forgery because it does not claim to be specifically by James, the brother of Jesus. Rather, it claims to be by "James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ" (James 1:1). James, Ehrman notes, was a common name. Two of Jesus' disciples had that name, as did the brother of Jesus. It may very well have been written by someone named James. However, to the extent that the author gives the impression that they are James, the brother of Jesus, it might be considered a forgery: Ehrman notes that the author doesn't specify which James he is, meaning "that he is claiming to be the most famous James of all, Jesus's brother."

    WIKI
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forged_(book)
     
    #55     Feb 3, 2025
  6. maxinger

    maxinger

    The bible is not well written.
    The writer did not do enough research.


    It talked about binary gender (male and female).

    It didn't talk about spectrum of gender which occurs naturally.

    Now the US is going to recognize only male and female.
     
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  7. themickey

    themickey

    The bible frequently mentions homosexuality as evil.

    However, in the animal kingdom it is reasonably prevalent.

    Homosexual behavior in animals
    For homosexuality in humans, see Homosexuality.
    Various non-human animal species exhibit behavior that can be interpreted as homosexual or bisexual, often referred to as same-sex sexual behavior (SSSB) by scientists. This may include same-sex sexual activity, courtship, affection, pair bonding, and parenting among same-sex animal pairs. Various forms of this are found among a variety of vertebrate and arthropod taxonomic classes. The sexual behavior of non-human animals takes many different forms, even within the same species, though homosexual behavior is best known from social species.

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    Two male mallards (Anas platyrhynchos)
    Scientists observe same-sex sexual behavior in animals in different degrees and forms among different species and clades. A 2019 paper states that it has been observed in over 1,500 species.

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    Two male African golden wolves (Canis anthus)
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    A cow "bulling" during oestrus.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
     
    #57     Feb 3, 2025
  8. themickey

    themickey

    #58     Feb 3, 2025
  9. themickey

    themickey

    Screenshot_20250204-122508_Firefox.jpg
    If you google, you'll discover there have been Jewish gays under every bed since antiquity.
     
    #59     Feb 3, 2025
  10. I wouldn't hold up animal behavior as an example for human beings. You just posted a thread about Kanye exposing his nakedness (something children and animals know nothing about) to a very civil audience, and now he's done.

    There's a reason we go inside a special room to eliminate our waste products, instead of just letting it fly where we stand (India excepted). There's a reason we get married and start families under that institution, instead of mating with whatever wet spot we may happen across. There's a reason males and females are separated at about the age of 12, and the ladies are not allowed in the military.

    Human beings are smart enough to see the negative effects of acting like animals. You are the beneficiary of these mores, living in a nice civilized country, safe and relaxed, not in danger of being devoured alive by some wild beast.

    I know you like to throw dirt at anything religious, but that last post was absurd.
     
    #60     Feb 4, 2025