The BEST ES systems in the world

isn't ES one of the most efficient markets out there?if Marty Schwartz couldn't cut it,what are our chances.

even in the P/L thread journals I can't recall anyone trading ES and winning consistently like the stocks guys.

 

Yes, you are correct ES is the most efficient market out there. Extremely hard to trade.

However, some folks on ET are smarter than Marty Schwartz

 

I never really understood this statement.

How is the ES harder to trade than any other market?

Of course, when the ranges contract and the market barely moves, it's tough to trade, but that goes for all markets in periods.

If there is a market that's "easier" than ES, why don't trade that market?

 

" http://www.tradingmarkets.com/recent/the_easiest_e-mini-640758.html

When traders talk about trading E-mini futures,
E-mini S&P 500 or “ES” is the first thought that usually comes to mind. It is by
far the most popular stock-index market traded, by retail traders and
institutions alike. That widespread popularity is not necessarily a good thing.
Program trading arbitrage attempts at capturing the difference in price values
per tick between E-mini and full-size S&P contracts creates a lot of sideways
buzz in price movement. Other program trading efforts by funds and institutions
involve arbing the futures against cash index pricing with SPY shares, futures
against cash SPX options, futures against baskets of big-cap stocks and a
plethora of other complex spread equations.

That type of layered congestion keeps the E-mini
S&P constantly retracing its steps. Between directional swings of price movement
up or down, there is consolidation with any market. That’s how the pattern of
price action plays out… consolidation leads to directional expansion, which
then settles into consolidation. That cycle repeats itself over and over again,
through all time frames and conditions. In the case of E-mini S&P futures,
consolidation is created and emphasized by any number of arbitrage programs
playing tug-of-war with the tapes. It’s not like the index is going through the
usual progression of accumulation, distribution and rest. The ES is constantly
being pushed around in a small sideways range by sideways trading strategies
designed to arb temporary price discrepancies.

What does this mean to retail traders?

Many things. Because the ES contains so much sideways
congested price movement or “noise”, a lot of E-mini traders direct their focus on
that. They work really hard at developing strategies that capture mere ticks of
profit as successful trades. All manner of complex initial stop-loss, multiple
contracts scaled out of to exit and bigger risk / smaller reward ratios are
toyed with in search of success.

With very few exceptions, retail traders all
fail miserably in these attempts. The concept of trading tiny scalps within
sideways noise is just an illusion, not a viable path to success.

"

 

there are some very good SPY systems that can be applied to the ES. You can have 20% per year and profit factor of 3+
I know some systems can do 50% a year. But generally the longest running profitable systems only make 15-20% a year.

 

You can buy systems like that for a few hundred dollars.

 

ES might even be easier, if you know wtf you are doing.

 

Well, I don't have experience day trading anything else than ES and crude oil.

It could very well be since I spent probably 10 times more hours studying and trading ES, but I find ES to be much more predictable, well-behaved and "accurate" compared to crude oil.

As long as ES moves, I don't understand why it would be harder to trade than any other instrument.

Of course, when ranges contract, it is tough to trade, but that happens with every other market as well, no?

 

Interesting post in this blog about intraday ES trading.

 

I think it was Gary Smith who put up a reward to any consistently profitable ES trader....nada,none showed up. But I believe in Santa ......