The benefits of the 2nd amendment!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Tony Stark, Sep 7, 2022.

  1. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    upload_2022-9-13_0-6-40.png
     
    #51     Sep 13, 2022
    Sprout likes this.
  2. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Some sort of liability would be OK as long as it weren't criminal. If your gun is stolen and someone uses it to kill someone else, you shouldn't be held accountable for the murder. A slippery slope like that is what I'd be concerned about.
     
    #52     Sep 13, 2022
  3. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    This doesn't address how many crimes have been thwarted by legal gun usage.
     
    #53     Sep 13, 2022
  4. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    I wouldn't give the same sentence to the gun owner as the murderer,but the gun owner shares some responsibility imo for thier gun being in the hands of a criminal and should take criminal responsibility for that imo.At the very least lose thier right to own guns forever.Just my opinion as the way it is is clearly not working.
     
    #54     Sep 13, 2022
  5. Sprout

    Sprout

    To add to this, in the US, if lethal force is used in a self-defense situation, it's gonna be ~$200k in legal fees to defend in court if charged.
     
    #55     Sep 13, 2022
  6. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    If charged. But I feel very comfortable using lethal force in self-defense in Florida. In NY? Not so much. In California? Almost assured I will be prosecuted by the state.

    Fortunately, I live in Florida.
     
    #56     Sep 13, 2022
  7. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    Best I could find from The FBI.

    We do know from The FBI that there are only around 400 justifiable homicides out of 40,000 gun deaths per year.
     
    #57     Sep 13, 2022
    Sprout likes this.
  8. How about the peace of mind being armed can provide? Especially after a violent attack, such as rape or mugging? As crime gets worse, does it not also follow the perceived need of self-protection increases? Are you really ok with infringing someone’s right to defend themselves? Do you really need to become a victim of a serious crime before you can understand “What all the fuss is about”? Many women are helpless in a crime. Women who are mothers, daughters, and wives. Are not minorities disproportionately affected by crime? Based on your posts, my impression is you cared about their rights. But not the rights of minorities when it comes to their self-protection? For all the debate on gun control is the real purpose to try to get guns out of hands of minorities because they are more likely to use a gun in a crime than Whites? How racist. Which race would you expect to see a disproportionate impact of illegal gun ownership?

    Republicans are paying a political price for infringing upon reproductive rights. Democrats risk paying a political price if they go stupid on gun control.
     
    #58     Sep 13, 2022
  9. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    That's is why I suggest an alternative.If you choose to own a gun you take some responsibility for whatever damage that gun does, both civilly and criminally.Don't want that responsibility,don't own a gun.
     
    #59     Sep 13, 2022
  10. Fair enough. There is precedent in Conservative thinking on responsibility. Conservatives years ago wanted to legislate parent responsibility for actions of their children, for example.
     
    #60     Sep 13, 2022
    Tony Stark likes this.