The Beauty of Options - Portfolio Insurance at a Discount

Discussion in 'Options' started by Sweet Bobby, Jun 19, 2020.

  1. "The trades are negative theta, but the options models are incorrect on the negative theta calculations on far out of the money options."

    The theta bill on your far-out puts doesn't take into account that the put strike skew steepens over time. So your long winger puts move incrementally higher in IV all else being equal. The theta reading on your long puts is theoretically correct, but negated by the upward drift in their IVs due to the vol smile gradually steepening over time.
     
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    #81     Jun 24, 2020
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  2. ironchef

    ironchef

    It is not portfolio insurance.
     
    #82     Jun 24, 2020
  3. Correct, this is an overall income strategy that sends Sweet Bobby’s kids to college when the market crashes!
     
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    #83     Jun 24, 2020
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  4. ironchef

    ironchef

    You got paid only when the market crashes, otherwise, no cigar, no tuitions for kids?
     
    #84     Jun 24, 2020
  5. shh

    shh

    Thanks for your thorough explanation.
    For the call ratios that you described, is it also good to partially delta hedge them with futures?
     
    #85     Jun 24, 2020
  6. shh

    shh

    Thanks for openly sharing. I myself am a beginner, that's why I did not directly comment on your strategy. I wanted people with more experience to break down your approach and verify that your logic flows. Thanks for sharing man. Anyway , you are the reason this productive thread started and we got the opportunity to ask our questions as we attempt to dissect your structure.
     
    #86     Jun 24, 2020
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  7. destriero

    destriero

    Yeah, the guy is clueless.
     
    #87     Jun 24, 2020
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  8. shh

    shh

    So, he does bleed theta (as anticipated by the model)on those near expiry long puts, yet the IV steepening (elevation of IV on the OTM puts) partially helps him?
     
    #88     Jun 24, 2020
  9. Sometimes being stupid and lucky isn't a bad way to go through life.
     
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    #89     Jun 24, 2020
  10. destriero

    destriero

    He's short the diagonal. I don't want to waste time on this idiot, but yeah, he's wrong.
     
    #90     Jun 24, 2020
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