The Arizona "Audit"

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Apr 30, 2021.

  1. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    It was a Pandemic and not yet at the worst peak. Moving ballot boxes further away from ethnic communities, removing post office boxes, moving voting centers to new locations...
    • That's classic disenfranchisement tactics.
    By the way, did you know that some states had contemplated allowed armed voters to show up with weapons at the voting polls... it's also an intimidation tactic to scare away ethnic minorities. Took a while for them to give in and not allow such stupidity...took them much longer to move back the ballot boxes in the ethnic communities that had been removed.

    That's why the Democrats wanted the drive-up and wanted ballots sent to "register voters" but only after the Republicans started that bullshit with relocating voting centers further away and removing / relocating ballot boxes further away.

    Imagine living in a city in which the typical person does not own a car but has more difficulty in voting because their postal box, the ballot box, and the voting center have been relocated further away...
    • During a fucking Pandemic in which most public transit systems were shut down or changed their route hours that did not correlate to the hours of the relocated voting centers.
    Republicans even try to think of a way to fuck with the absentee vote of military personnel and American's living abroad. Yet, they gave up and thought that they would only be screwing with Republican voters because at that time in 2020...it was almost equal with the consensus how military people and veterans living abroad were going to vote.
    • Fortunately, military abroad were voting mainly Democrat in key states where it matter the most (e.g. Georgia) by absentee ballot...miscalculation by the Republicans.
    Republicans knew exactly what they were doing and the Democrats counter-attack the disfranchisement tactics. This resulted in firing up the Democratic base in the urban communities into voting in record numbers in which many register voters did not vote in 2016.

    Republican know that they can only win if they limit (reduce) the fastest voting group in America...ethnic minorities. Regardless, so far, the Republicans have lost more register voters than the Democrats because of the insurrection, big lie, and disenfranchisement tactics.

    It's important that the Democrats keep the issue front center...in the news to keep the base fired up.

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    #851     Jul 17, 2021
  2. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    Rawstory!?

    LOL

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    #852     Jul 17, 2021
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  3. Wallet

    Wallet

    Blah, blah, blah. And as a result the biggest problem areas with incomplete voter logs, chain of custody issues, all the crap floating around accusations of potential voter fraud, and democrats fighting to keep from being audited, are all democratic strongholds.

    Gee, wonder why? Local election officials do not have the authority to circumvent state voting laws, but many did just that and for the time being, got away with it.

    Oh, for a pandemic. Sure straw man.

    Btw, no one here is screaming about being disenfranchised, the election here went off without a hitch, pandemic raging, no questions about election integrity.

    It’s really pretty easy to run a fair transparent election if you want it.
     
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  4. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    The facts and the timeline of how the Republicans started the crap in a Pandemic via removing and relocating voting centers, ballot boxes in urban communities that are populated with Democratic voters while not doing the same or very little of the same in Republican strongholds...

    Then later in which election officials and the United States Post Master publicly admitted "it was wrong"...well...you know the rest of the story.

    Your wannabe dictator lost and rightfully so no matter how much disinformation or downplaying you want to make it...there's no widespread fraud as concluded by the earlier audits and will be the same outcome in the audits to come.

    Yet, reread the lost numbers of Republican voters in Arizona...those are real numbers of lost Republicans. You're reaping what you sow.

    Fraudit Fallout


    Arizona Ballot Review Splits GOP


    Arizona Voter Registration Data 2021:

    Republicans...17,467 have left the party
    Democrats....2,445 have left the party
    Independents...increased 52,216

    That difference if it remains similar going into the 2024 U.S. Presidential Election...guarantees that Arizona will again go BLUE. It will also guarantee more audits to come because Arizona is a state of sore losers and its inability to understand the fastest growing voter group in America...
    • Ethnic Minorities
    All of it thanks to the circus show audit that Democrats are not worried about...they're laughing and may send Christmas cards to the Cyber Ninja firm in December 2024.

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    The nationwide story is similar.

    In California, more than 33,000 registered Republicans left the party during the three weeks after the Washington riot. In Pennsylvania, more than 12,000 voters left the G.O.P. in the past month and more than 10,000 Republicans changed their registration in Arizona.

    An analysis of January voting records by The New York Times found that nearly 140,000 Republicans had quit the party in 25 states that had readily available data (19 states do not have registration by party). Voting experts said the data indicated a stronger-than-usual flight from a political party after a presidential election, as well as the potential start of a damaging period for G.O.P. registrations as voters recoil from the Capitol violence and its fallout.
    That's a lot of blah, blah and blah when there's no widespread election fraud. :D

    P.S. We do not know where you're residing. Therefore, you could be another poser trying to downplay the disenfranchisement tactics.

    Myself, I'm living abroad in Québec and the +100 United States Veterans that I know that are also living abroad here in Québec...not a problem with anyone here sending in their absentee ballot back to their home state where they're a register voter.

    We had several organized meetings to ensure each person sent their absentee ballot on time so that it can be counted considering we were lockdown here and had to ensure the mail was able to cross the border. :D

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  5. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Let's let this play out.--- Initial findings suggest massive fraud in Arizona, but I'll wait for the full report. I only deal in truth and common sense.
     
    #855     Jul 18, 2021
  6. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    Initial findings in the prior Audits also suggested widespread fraud although it contradicted the final bipartisan audit results of no widespread fraud...mainly just Republicans voting a 2nd time. :rolleyes:
    • We all know via the videos (posted earlier) of Trump telling his followers at rallies to mail in the ballot and then go to the voting centers to vote again to ensure their vote is counted...as in vote twice. :sneaky:
    Now the foundation is slowly being set for "another audit" before the mid-terms...I'm sure their initial findings will be that there's widespread fraud. We get it, gotta sucker out more donations to Trump. :p

    Yeah, you can keep with the "let us let this play out" foolishness but the fact is you're losing Republicans the longer you keep up with this circus show and misinformation campaign about the BIG LIE.

    This is something the Republican GOP in Arizona has openly stated they're worried about.
    • I say keep it front center as long as possible to lure more Republicans to the Democrats or push them into Independence to then later get more of the Republicans in the mid-terms or the 2024 elections...while at it...call it what it is...a clown show audit. Ridicule the audit as often as possible.
    140,000 Republicans nationwide have left the Republican party since the January 6th Insurrection on Democracy and continue leaving as the BIG LIE continues with the "let this play out" bullshit audit. :p

    P.S. We'll take you seriously as in stop laughing when you audit the states that Trump won...start with North Carolina. Surely there must be more GOP operatives doing fraud...
    Just as bad, what if the Russian Hackers had tamper with other voting machines beyond North Carolina ?
    We've been hearing a lot of news lately about Russian hackers attacking the United States infrastructure. Let there be an audit of North Carolina to ensure that they've truly fixed their problems prior to the 2020 elections.

    Yeah, now you see how the bullshit starts and a few idiots get arrested and then there are rumors of "widespread fraud" by the other side (Democrats). :D

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  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Great job Arizona fraudit clowns...

    Arizona GOP worried Trump's audit has destroyed their chance at picking up a Senate seat: report
    https://www.rawstory.com/trump-arizona-audit-2653812186/

    According to a report from CNN, high-ranking officials in the Arizona Republican Party fear any chance they might have had of reclaiming a U.S. Senate seat has been irreparably crippled by the highly-criticized audit of the 2020 presidential ballots in Maricopa country at the behest of former president Donald Trump.

    With reports trickling out that the months-long controversial audit uncovered no evidence of widescale fraud that denied Trump the state's 11 electoral votes, Republican campaign consultants worry that a campaign against Sen. Mark Kelly (D-AZ) will fall flat because the eventual nominee will undoubtedly have to spend precious time explaining away the failed venture.

    According to CNN's Alex Rogers and Michael Warren, "Former President Donald Trump's false claims of widespread voter fraud, including his promotion of a controversial, partisan audit of the vote in Maricopa County, has dominated the debate within the Arizona GOP for months, as it recovers from Trump's and Republican Sen. Martha McSally's close losses to Joe Biden and Kelly last year," with the journalists adding that focus on Trump's 2020 audit will hover like a dark cloud over 2022.

    "But some Republicans are worried that embracing Trump's falsehoods could hurt their eventual nominee in the party's effort to take back the Senate in 2022 ," the report continues with Republican lawyer Chris DeRose summing up the GOP's dilemma by candidly admitting, "The audit is an albatross around the neck for every Republican running in the state of Arizona."

    According to one campaign consultant, every candidate will also be scrutinized over their connection to the former president.

    "The party apparatus is deeply entrenched in MAGA and it's the only litmus test that seems to matter at the moment," they explained.

    You can read more here.
     
    #857     Jul 18, 2021
  8. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    All states should be audited. This is necessary for transparent future elections.
     
    #858     Jul 18, 2021
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  9. smallfil

    smallfil

    Start with Commiefornia, there is atleast, a 95% chance of massive election fraud if it is seriously, investigated and ballots are audited. How many dead people and illegals still in the voting rolls actually, casted their votes? Judicial Watch has sued Commiefornia which continues to fight efforts to clean its voting rolls. Why?
     
    #859     Jul 18, 2021
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  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    There are many complete, detailed explanations available from reliable sources showing this fraudit claim about 74K votes is nonsense.


    Fact check: Arizona audit chief baselessly raises suspicion about 74,000 ballots
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/18/poli...a-audit-arizona-cyber-ninjas-74000/index.html

    Arizona's Senate held a Thursday briefing on the ongoing Republican-initiated "audit" of the 2020 election in Maricopa County, where Joe Biden outperformed Donald Trump by enough of a margin to win the state.

    The review is being conducted by Cyber Ninjas, a cybersecurity firm that has no experience in election auditing. And the company's chief executive officer, Doug Logan, made some Thursday claims that were immediately called into question by the county and independent experts.

    Here's a brief look at two of them.

    The 74,000 ballots
    Logan said that door-to-door questioning of Maricopa County voters is the "one way" the auditors could determine whether what they are seeing in the elections data are "real problems" or "clerical errors of some sort."

    "For example, we have 74,243 mail-in ballots where there is no clear record of them being sent," he said.

    Logan made clear that this wasn't necessarily a case of fraud, saying it could be a "clerical issue." But his claim about an unexplained 74,000-plus ballot gap between the county's list of mail-in ballots received and its list of mail-in ballots sent out was amplified on Twitter by Liz Harrington, the spokeswoman for former President Donald Trump, and by numerous other Trump supporters, such as Republican Colorado Rep. Lauren Boebert. Some of them, including Boebert, went further than Logan did.

    "In Arizona, 74,000 ballots were counted with no record of being sent in. That's not normal. That's not right. That's not safe nor is it secure," Boebert wrote.

    On Friday, Trump himself went further than Logan. In a written statement, he claimed that the Thursday Senate briefing showed "74,000 mail in ballots received that were never mailed (magically appearing ballots)."

    Facts First: There is no evidence of either fraud or any significant error with these ballots, and certainly not "magically appearing ballots." Both Maricopa County and outside experts say there is a simple explanation for the gap Logan claimed had not been explained: the existence of in-person early voting. Contrary to Logan's claims, the ballot lists he was talking about include not only mail-in ballots but also ballots cast early in person.

    Here's why it's entirely normal for Maricopa County's submitted-ballots list to include a significant number of votes that do not match up with entries on the requested-ballots list. After the deadline to request a mail-in ballot, which was October 23 in 2020, the requested-ballot list doesn't get updated by the county. But the submitted-ballots list does get updated after that October 23 deadline -- with the votes of in-person early voters.

    Logan's suggestion of some sort of unsolved mystery was definitively debunked by Garrett Archer, an election analyst at ABC15 television in Phoenix and a former official in the Arizona secretary of state's office, who is known locally and on Twitter for his mastery of the state's elections data.

    Archer explained that the county stops updating the requested-ballots list, known as "EV32," after the last day people can request a mail ballot, October 23. So ballots cast in person after October 23, Archer said, were included on the submitted-ballots list, known as "EV33," but did not have a corresponding item on the "EV32" requested-ballots list.

    Archer analyzed the files and found that there were 74,241 ballots on the submitted-ballots list without a corresponding entry on the requested-ballots list -- nearly identical to the figure Logan cited, "74,243." But Archer found that more than 99.9% of the ballots in question were recorded in the submitted-ballots list on October 26 or later.

    That is in line with the October 23 cut-off date Archer had previously noted for the requested-ballots list.

    The explanation: October 24 and 25 were weekend days when county clerks didn't update the submitted-ballot list, Archer said, so they added the ballots cast by in-person voters on those weekend days to the submitted-ballot totals starting on October 26.

    "This is a glaring omission in the analysis," Archer tweeted of the auditors. "It is either grossly negligent for failing to see a pattern of ballots being returned after a certain date or the statements were deliberately misleading."

    Tammy Patrick, an elections expert who spent more than a decade working at Maricopa County's elections department, also said on Twitter that the requested-ballots list stops getting updated 11 days before Election Day but the submitted-ballots list continues to get updated until the day before Election Day.

    Patrick tweeted of the auditors: "AGAIN: They don't know what they're looking at."

    Archer said the two EV files are created for the benefit of the political parties' campaign efforts and not meant to be comprehensive records of all ballots, so they are not ideal documents for a forensic audit. The county made a similar remark on Twitter, calling them "not the proper files to refer to for a complete accumulating of all early ballots sent and received."

    Meanwhile, some citizens interpreted Logan's remarks as a claim that the total number of mail-in ballots the county recorded as received was higher than the total number the county recorded as having sent out. We don't think that's what Logan actually said, but for the record, Maricopa County tweeted on Friday that this was not true, either.

    Without the access Logan's team has, we can't say for certain that there are no errors or issues with the two lists; it's entirely possible that some issue or another will be uncovered at some point. It's possible, Archer said, that there were clerical errors with the small number of ballots -- 29 -- that he found had been recorded on the submitted-ballots list before October 26 but did not have a corresponding entry on the requested-ballots list.

    But Logan had suggested there was a massive, unsolved data problem. Experts have made clear that he simply did not understand the data.

    Signature verification
    Logan also claimed that Maricopa County simply stopped verifying voters' signatures at some point of the election.

    "Yeah, we've had an affidavit that specifically stated that when mail in ballots were received that so many of them were received that the standards reduced over time," Logan said. He said the affidavit claimed the verification process started with 20 "points of comparison," then "after some time" was reduced to just 10 points of comparison, then to five points of comparison, "and then eventually they were just told to let every single mail-in ballot through."

    Facts First: The office of Maricopa County Recorder Stephen Richer, a Republican elected in 2020, strongly denied this claim. "At no point during the 2020 election cycle did Maricopa County modify the rigorous signature verification requirements. Any suggestion to the contrary is categorically false," the recorder's office said on Twitter.

    Logan was not clear on who supposedly reduced the comparison standard and how widespread the supposed change was. We can't, of course, definitively fact check what happened or didn't happen at each and every elections office in the county, especially without seeing the affidavit Logan referred to.
     
    #860     Jul 18, 2021